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mathsmind Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
have you done something called the Doperator?
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mathsmind Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
first of all rewrite that as (1+x)^(x), does that clue or hint help?
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in other words you may use implicit differentiation ...
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MFinn9 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so then it's chain rule
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mathsmind Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ok just for you to never forget do you know how to find dy/dx of x^x?
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MFinn9 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yes using natural logs
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mathsmind Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ok then use the same method and differnetiate both sides
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so it would be 12x
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mathsmind Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
impossible to give that answer life is not linear...
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mathsmind Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
y = (1+x)^(x)
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mathsmind Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
take the ln of both sides...
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mathsmind Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ln(y) = ln[(1+x)^(x)]
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my appology that the equation editor is not functioning for me tonight for a funny reason...
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mathsmind Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
use natural logs rules to obtain: ln(y)=xln(1+x)
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now can you diff both sides implicitly ...
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MFinn9 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
f'(x)=ln(1+x)[x/(1+x)]*(1+x)^(x)
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mathsmind Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
no look at what i wrote again ln(y)=xln(1+x)
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mathsmind Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you used the product rule but u made a small error
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let's work on this step by step
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now the editor is working
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\[ \ln(y)=xln(1+x)\]
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\[d( \ln(y)=xln(1+x))\]
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(1/y)y'=1*ln(x+1)=(x)(1/(1+x))
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mathsmind Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you mean + not =
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ok all you are left with is y x RHS
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take the y to the other side
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y'=y[1*ln(x+1)=(x)(1/(1+x))]
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can you see the y?
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yes... everything** is multiplied by y, not just tacked onto the end
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mathsmind Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
the next question is what is y=?
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mathsmind Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
just change the y to the main equation
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MFinn9 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
now I have to apply that to x > 0, L'Hopital's Rule
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delete that post
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we don't have limits
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\[y'=[(1+x)^(1/x)][1*\ln(x+1)=(x)(1/(1+x))]\]
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can u see i changed the y to (1+x)^(1/x)
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yes, i got that
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good let's us wrap it up
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in such questions 1) you take the natrual log of both side, 2) you apply the logs rules, 3) you implicitly differentiate both sides, 4) you plug in the oridinal equation or function back
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one of the interesting things about this phenomina, that you'll have the same function muliplied by it derivative in the logarithmic world, a lot of real life applications can be modeled by this system...
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Ok, great... now the whole point of that was to answer the question: lim x>0 (1+0)^(1/x), and applying l'hopital's rule
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that is a different question now
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the answer would be 1/e
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it is easy to see
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MFinn9 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Please show me how it is easy to see.
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sorry the answer would be e
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now one way to visualise this is by graphical method and the definition of limits, the other way to find out is by using calculus normal methods
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ok to make life esear
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you should use LH rule
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let me prove that for you
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yes, I need to understand this.
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\[y = (1+x)^{(1/x)}\]
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\[\ln(y) =\ln[ (1+x)^{(1/x)}]\]
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\[\ln(y) =\frac{\ln[ (1+x)}{x}\]
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i actually just took a quiz on this
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are you at hopkins by chance? haha... I want to understand this
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\[\ln(y) = \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} [\frac{\ln[ (1+x)}{x}]\]
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i say (1+x)^1/x1/x
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im prob wrong tho lol
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mathsmind Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
now differentiate the top and the butoom using LH rule...
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can you see what will happen
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\[\ln(y) = \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} [\frac{\frac{1}{[ (1+x)}}{1}]\]
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yes plug in the 0
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hehehehe
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its a clever qs
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this is the first time is see such a problem, but just follow the laws of maths, the it will drive us mad and crazy ...
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then it will*
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which means y =e
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did you get that...or am i disconnected...
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no, i see that... much more advanced that what I'm used to seeing, but it makes sense.
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well good luck and all the best
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you're welcome
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where is my medal hehehe
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