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Wencester
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Can somebody on this page tell about trapezoidal rule in calculus?
 one year ago
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Wencester Group Title
Can somebody on this page tell about trapezoidal rule in calculus?
 one year ago
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
The Trapezoidal rule is a way of approximating area under a curve. somewhat similar to what you may have done using right sum and left sum that utilized rectangles. in this case we use trapezoids that better refine the partition ( are more accurate) in estimating the area under a curve. later you will see this done with integrals but for now this is your bet bet. \[Deltax \times .5 (y0+2y1+2y2+2y3...+yn)\]
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I hope this helps
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
..tnx for that particular information ..... in what i studied in our class trapezoidal rule is a technique in approximating indefinite integrals.. we also tackled about that particular formula... can u give a particular example for that?
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
The further you zoom in on a curve, the straighter it gets. When you use a greater and greater number of trapezoids and then zoom in on where the trapezoids touch the curve, the tops of the trapezoids get closer and closer to the curve. If you zoom in “infinitely,” the tops of the “infinitely many” trapezoids become the curve and, thus, the sum of their areas gives you the exact area under the curve. This is a good way to think about why integration produces the exact area. integrals do a similar thing by evaluating the integral of a function you are getting the area under the curve essentially you can think of them doing the same thing.
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Use the trapezoidal rule with n = 8 to estimate \[\int\limits_{1}^{5}\sqrt{1+x^{2}} dx\] so \[Deltax= (51)/(8)\] find values x11.522.533.544.55 y\[\sqrt{2}2\sqrt{3.25}\sqrt{5}\sqrt{7.25}\sqrt{10}\sqrt{13.25}\sqrt{17}\sqrt{21.25}\sqrt{26}\] because i could not make a chart i hope this works the "" is just spacing between terms for X1X2X3 ect same for y now simple plug into formula i provided before and you will get 12.76 which evaluates the integral aswell as provide area under curve
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ahh yeah we got the same answer i also try it in my notebook while waiting for you but do you know that there is still an error in using trapezoidal rule that is called the truncation error?
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Yes the rule is not perfect it is still an appoximation yet it provides a rather close answer
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Have u done Simpsons rule yet if i am correct that is more accurate
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yup... simpsons rule is more accurate that trapezoidal rule... because Simpson's rule subdivides the area into slices that have little curves , so Simpson's rule is more accurate for functions that have a lot of curvy sections. or what i mean is the interval of that..
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
thank you very much areyes06 for that particular information about the trapezoidal rule... sorry for the last time that i didn't reply that fast because i really can't verify my email address... thank you once more...
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
not a problem what so ever and seems you have a grasp on the simpsons rule so u are good to go. good for you i hope i helped and lmk if i can help you out with anything else in the future
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yeah thanks.. i really appreciate all your replies... but i want to know simpsons rule further..
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Simpson’s rule is a very accurate approximation method. In fact, it gives the exact area for any polynomial function of degree three or less. In general, Simpson’s rule gives a much better estimate than either the midpoint rule or the trapezoid rule.With Simpson’s rule, you approximate the area under a curve with curvytopped “trapezoids.” The tops of these shapes are sections of parabolas. Parabola are much more accurate due to the fact that they hug the curve of a given function much better then the sharp ends of a trapezoid. simpsons Rule A=1/3 DetlaX (f(x1)+4f(x2)+2f(x3)+.....4f(xn1)+f(xn)) Procedure is much the same as the trap rule but formula is slightly different
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so if i use Simpson’s rule with n = 6 to estimate \[\int\limits_{1}^{4}\sqrt{1+x ^{3}}dx\] then we will get delta x which is \[\frac{ 41 }{ 6}\] = .5 ... this will be my 1st step right?
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Correct that will give you Delta X Next....?
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
next ahm... i will make a table... x 1 1.5 2 2.5 3 3.5 4 y=\[\sqrt{1+x ^{3}}\] 1.414 2.092 3 4.077 2.3 6.624 8.062 am i right or there is another process in doing a tble?
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Looks good to me and no thats usually the easiest way if you have a graphing calc you may use that by adding the function into Y1 and utilizing the table but thats good whats next?
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yeah but i dont have a graphing calculator... ahm \[\int\limits_{1}^{4}\sqrt{1+x ^{3}}\] = .5/3 (1.414 + 4(2.092) +2 (3) +4(4.077)+ 2(2.3) + 4(6.624) +8.062 then the answer will be 12.871
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
is that right?
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i got 11.87 try the math again to the parens first i could be wrong but i think its 11.87
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
*do the parens
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ay yeah i also got 11.87... sorry can u try to solve it using the trapezoidal rule? so that we can compare our answrs?
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
are you using a graphing calculator or u are solving it manually?
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i have a graphing calc but i am just using it for arithmetic not w/ functions or programs
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i also want to have a graphing calculator haha.... ahm so if you use the calculator to solve for this equation what will be the anwr?
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so... i think the trpezoidal rule gives much appropriate answer? but then it is ststed that simpsons is the best that we can use
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
the answer i got was through a trapazoidal program. so naturally it will be similar to the hand work simpsons program gives the 12.871 you originally got. so that is right i am sorry but not matter what when you actually do the integral through the fundamental theorem of calc you will be closer wih the simpsons rule
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ahh yeah.... maybe i have typographical error on what i wrote on the solution
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
its ok no big deal as long as you get the process?
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
oh i'm very much impress with your answers by the way are you a professor in mathematics?
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
lol no im not but thank you i am an engineering student you tend to be forced to view calc very in depth in this major
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ah so your from what school?
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Wencester Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i really appreciate all your answer... hope that i can also help you the next way around... =)
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areyes06 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
not a problem anytime glad i could help feel free to message me with anyother problem in the future i will always do my best to help out
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sirm3d Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@Wencester you should close this thread to open a new thread.
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