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If A is a 3 by 5 matrix, what information do you have about the nullspace of A?
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N(A) has dimension at least 2 and at most 5.
My trouble:
How do we know this?
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s3a Group Title
Question: If A is a 3 by 5 matrix, what information do you have about the nullspace of A? Answer: N(A) has dimension at least 2 and at most 5. My trouble: How do we know this?
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
m>=r m=3 so 0=<r=<3 dim N(A) = nr=5r 2<=5r<=5
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s3a Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
You're using the notation where m is the number of rows and r is the rank, right?
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yes m=#rows n=#columns r=rank
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s3a Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
So m >= r always holds for the nullspace of a matrix?
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
rank is #pivot rows right? can it be more than #of rows?
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
it is just a fact for every matrices
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i mean you can't have more pivot 'rows' than rows
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s3a Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
No, it cannot. I now get the answer to that subquestion.
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s3a Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I mean my subquestion not part (b). Let me look at 3(b) again
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Why is dim N(A) = nr=5r?
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s3a Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Also is dim N(A) = dim ("the x variable vector in Ax = 0")?
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i don't know whether you've heard the mit ocw lecture or not, but you should know dim N(A) = n r
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
matrix is 3by 5 so n=5
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s3a Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I haven't. Is N(A) = n  r something I am supposed to "just memorize"?
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s3a Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dim N(A) = n  r that is
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
well dim N(A) is number of vectors in basis of nullspace of A
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
think about the basis of nullspace of A think how you get those bases
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s3a Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
(where n and r are of the matrix A) (Sorry for the potentially dumb question, I'm kind of braindead at the moment but, like I said, I cannot take a break.)
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(My break will be when I sleep.)
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
can you think how you obtain the null space of A?
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
then it is clear cut that dim N(A) = nr
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s3a Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you find the vector x in Ax = 0
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yeah i'm asking do you know the exact procedures
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s3a Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
get A^(1) and multiply both sides?
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i mean left multiplication on each side of the equation
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
since there are r pivot columns, there are nr free columns and there are nr special solutions to the null space. And they form basis for nullspace. so dim N(A)=nr
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you can do that only when a is invertible
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you use elimination process to compute nullspace right?
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
why don't you solve some examples to get dimN(A)=nr i think you know the definitions
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s3a Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
when a is invertible, like you said. I'm not grasping something fundamental though: what is the nullspace of A? is it x in Ax = 0? In other words, what object's dimension is n  r?
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
nullspace(A) is a subspace in R^n, which a vector in it satisfies Ax=0
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
it is just whole solutions to Ax=0
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
solutions form a subspace, so they are called null'space'
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ok so it's a dimension of a vector space in which a vector x makes Ax = 0?
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
for example, when A is invertible, x is only 0 and the N(A)={0}
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
no nullspace is just a name of subspace
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dim N(A) is what you are saying
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s3a Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ya for two seconds, my brain was thinking about dim N(A).
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Will you be here in 1..75 hours?
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you need to carry on the elimination yourself to see dim N(A) = nr
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s3a Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I have to go eat now.
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i'm sorry
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(If you keep writing, I will come back and read what you said.)
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i have to go :(
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i have a pdf about nullspace. do you want it?
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ingenuus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/1806sclinearalgebrafall2011/axbandthefoursubspaces/solvingax0pivotvariablesspecialsolutions/ download the lecture summary for that lecture. it has the just the right information for you. good luck
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thanks and sry for leaving abruptbly
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