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Help? Using complete sentences, describe how you would analyze the zeros of the polynomial function f(x) = –3x^5 – 8x^4 +25x^3 – 8x^2 +x – 19 using Descartes’ Rule of Signs.
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Help? Using complete sentences, describe how you would analyze the zeros of the polynomial function f(x) = –3x^5 – 8x^4 +25x^3 – 8x^2 +x – 19 using Descartes’ Rule of Signs.
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
in f(x), how many sign changes are there?
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I don't know?
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
notice that going from 8x^4 to +25x^3, there's a sign change from negative to positive
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
do you see this?
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok there's another from +25x^3 to 8x^2
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
what's another one?
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
+x to 19?
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
there's one more
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
from 8x^2 to +x
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so there are 4 sign changes total in f(x)
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
this means that there are at most 4 positive real roots
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
19 to +x?
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
no that's the same sign change (just in reverse)
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
4 sign changes=4 positive real roots
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
at most 4 (there could be 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4 positive real roots)
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
4 is the maximum
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
now we must find f(x)
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I'm still really confuzzled...
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
where at?
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
All of it
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
the rule is if f(x) has n sign changes, then there are AT MOST n positive real roots
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
if n = 4, then if f(x) has 4 sign changes, then there are AT MOST 4 positive real roots
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
making more sense?
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yes? no?
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I don't know how to formulate an answer from you telling me this...
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
you don't need to find the actual roots you just need to be able to count the possible number and type
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
more specifically, how many positive real roots you could have (in this case, at most 4) you don't need to find the 4 or find out how many actual positive roots there are
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
But I need a definite answer, right?
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I can't just say "maybe 4"?
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
well that's part of the answer, we still have to find f(x)
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Okay, and how would we go about that ? :)
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
start with f(x) then replace each x with x and simplify
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Could you give me an example?
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
start with this f(x) = –3x^5 – 8x^4 +25x^3 – 8x^2 +x – 19 then replace each 'x' with 'x' to get f(x) = –3(x)^5 – 8(x)^4 +25(x)^3 – 8(x)^2 +(x) – 19 then simplify to get ???
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
does that help?
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Yes, it does :)
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok what do you get
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
when you simplify
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
3x^5=f(x)+x(x(x8x(+25)+8)+1)+19??
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
f(x) = –3(x)^5 – 8(x)^4 +25(x)^3 – 8(x)^2 +(x) – 19 would simplify to f(x) = 3x^5 – 8x^4  25x^3 – 8x^2  x – 19
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
now count the sign changes in f(x) = 3x^5 – 8x^4  25x^3 – 8x^2  x – 19 and tell me how many you got
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
No sign changes?
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
3x^5 is the same as +3x^5
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so there's only one sign change from +3x^5 to 8x^4
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so this means that there is at most 1 negative real root
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Oh, I was just looking at it wrong.. Sorry :(
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
no worries
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So far we found that there are at most 4 positive real roots and at most 1 negative real root
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so one possibility is that there are 4+1 =5 real roots (4 positive, 1 negative) BUT this is not the only possibility
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
we could have 3 positive real roots and 1 negative real root to have 3+1 = 4 real roots total but the problem with this scenario is that you would only have 51 = 1 complex root...when complex roots should come in pairs
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so that scenario of 3 positive real roots and 1 negative real root just isn't possible
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Okay So don't worry about the last scenario?
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
anyways, there are a ton of possibilities the good news is that you can sum them all up by saying there are at most 4 positive real roots (you could have 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4 positive real roots) there is at most 1 negative real root (you could have 0 or 1 negative real roots) there are at most 5 complex roots (if there are no real roots at all)
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
in short there are at most 4 positive real roots there is at most 1 negative real root there are at most 5 complex roots
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P.nut1996 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I got it! :D
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok great
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
we can stop there because we don't need to find the actual roots or the counts of the types or roots...just the max of all of the possible types of roots
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jim_thompson5910 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
sure thing
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