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consider the groups Z3 and U(9)
list the element of Z3 multiply U(9)
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walters Group Title
consider the groups Z3 and U(9) list the element of Z3 multiply U(9)
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Z3 ={0,1,2} U(9) = {1,2,4,5,7,8}
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
now are u supposed to multiply Z3 by U(9)?
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
looks like both of you are on same school
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
List the element of\[z _{3}\]multiply U(9)
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yes i must multiply z3 by u(9)
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
what is Z3 and U9 ??
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
is it multiply or cross(X)
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
z3 set of integers and u(9) means u find the number from 1 to 9 that cannot divide 9 or and those number must never divide each other
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
under what operation is it a group?
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
multiplication
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
how?? Z3 is not closed under multiplication
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
check question 3
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i don't know whether tht x mean multiplication or cross
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
question no??
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
question 3 3.1 a
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you should take an element from Z3 and combine it with an element from U9
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
"by combine wat do u mean "
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
LOL Q 5.4 came in my exam
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
z3={0,1,2} u(9)={1,2,4,5,7,8}
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Take an the first element from z3 and combine it with all elements in u9
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
then z3 x u(9)={0,1,2,4,5,7,8}
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
u get (0,1) (0,2) (0,4) (0,5) (0,7) (0,8)
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
then u have to do the same with the second element of Z3
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
oh becuase u came with a new set how will u get the identity because the new set is different to z3 and u(9)
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=474271
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
looks like by group U(n), you mean \( \Bbb Z \mod n \) what is the convention followed for Z in your book?
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
but the way beketso did this it is not easy to get z3 cross u(9)
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
by U(n) we mean a set of numbers which are relatively prime to n and are smaller than n
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you sure on that?? (how is it closed on operation if it has no mechanism to reduce elements greater than it) and what is Z?? check your book again ... what convention is followed
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
z3 x U9 ={(0,1) (0,2) (0,4) (0,5) (0,7) (0,8) (1,1) (1,2) (1,4) (1,5) (1,7) (1,8) (2,1) (2,2) (2,4) (2,5) (2,6) (2,8) } The first element is from z3 and the second is from U(9)
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@experimentX Z is the set of integers and Zn is Z mod n
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
what's the operation? it talks about cyclic group
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i think since we r in z multiplication and addition are closed .
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
since you have taken Cartesian product, \( \Bbb Z_3 \times U(9) \) how do you define this new group? What book are you following for abstract algebra?
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
First course in abstract algebra by fraleigh
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i think it will be closed under *
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
am not sure but i think it is the combination of the identity element from Z3 and the identity element from U9 So, the identity element is (0,1)
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
because by addition ther is a high possibility wen u add 2 integar u find the resul will no longer suits u(9)
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
on which operation is U9 a group?
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
because by multiplication it won't hold ie 5*7 is not in u(9)
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
5*7 = 8 which is in U(9)
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so it means the operation is either + or *
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7+8 is also 8 wen working with addition
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
7+8 = 6 in U(9) which is not in the set
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
that is why i think the identity element is (0,1)
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
it can't be the values will circulate in {1,2,4,5,7,8} only there is no way we can get any value except those who are in u(9)
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
we can use the fact that says most of the time wen the first elementin a set is 0 in the the the operation that likely to be closed is + and if the fist element is 1 * is likely to be closed
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
your text book is very nice. the problem looks like it's related to Group Action on sets
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
because u r saying the identity is (0,1) so meaning the operation will be *
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experimentX Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
but it's morning here ... i gotta get some sleep. will see later
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
it is also morning to me see u
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it's 7 am in the morning!!
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walters Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
to me is 3:12 am
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beketso Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@walters will do this more later
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see ya later .. will see this tomorrow.
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