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The Cheating Project

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  1. dumbsearch2
    • 2 years ago
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    Cheating has been an ongoing problem with online courses. And when the student cheats, it defeats the purpose of the online course: In the end, they don't learn anything. It's horrible for the new generation of learners, and we can't let this problem go as it currently stands... You'll more accurately understand what I mean if you'd take a look at this heart-wrentching post by @MissTeacherLady16 on this thread: http://openstudy.com/study#/updates/5137a46fe4b01c4790d01ba4 @AravindG and I figured that there must be something to be done about it, so I winged up this project, currently entitled "The Cheating Project". The goal of this project is obvious: to stop the excessive cheating going on, when "learning". I'd love to have suggestions about this project, how to go about it, and the demo which I programmed currently resides on http://www.dumbsearch.com/thecheatingproject

  2. AravindG
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    :) I hope this Project will be a success !! ^_^ cheers !

  3. UmarsBack
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    i managed to open a new tab without getting caught. total failure.

  4. AravindG
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    @umarsBack we just started with this! It takes time to make a foolproof project ..the demo is put up so that you understand what we intend to do in the project .

  5. Opcode
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    DEMO OF THE CHEATING PROJECT Science test (no cheating): 1. Do pigs fly ? Yes. No. Note: where this project is going, well, I've decided that after I've perfected this concept, I could release this as a cut-and-paste JavaScript solution for online courses to try to stop cheating as much as possible. First, I'd love to receive ideas. Currently blocked/reported actions: - Right clicking to research on services like Google, or to cut-and-paste for cheating. - Physical mouse actions, like minimizing the window, or closing/opening a tab, for cheating. - Keyboard shortcuts, like miniming the window, or closing/opening a tab, for cheating. Contact me at dumbsearch@icloud.com if your interested in contributing. You can also drop ideas on the OpenStudy thread. You're welcome :3 Don't quite work when disabling Javascript :D

  6. Opcode
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    I do support the project tho :P (I thought online schools already had something against this o.o) I mean during my state mandated test, I was part of a team that could take it online. There was no way to cheat :P

  7. AravindG
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    But thats not the case happening here :(

  8. Opcode
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    Haha, it's still new. I've sure it can improve :-).

  9. AravindG
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    something is better than nothing :)

  10. Opcode
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    True :-).

  11. dumbsearch2
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    Yes, it's still a work in progress... Thank you @opcode for your feedback. I have noticed, however, that online tests, like the Scranton Test, as well as some online courses like OmegaMath and Keystone, they have no protection whatsoever, and others like Advanced Academics have very little. I'm gonna work for a safe-proof when JavaScript is disabled... any other way of getting past ?

  12. dumbsearch2
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    From the demo at http://www.dumbsearch.com/thecheatingproject : Note: where this project is going, well, I've decided that after I've perfected this concept, I could release this as a cut-and-paste JavaScript solution for online courses to try to stop cheating as much as possible. First, I'd love to receive ideas. Currently blocked/reported actions: - Right clicking to research on services like Google, or to cut-and-paste for cheating. - Physical mouse actions, like minimizing the window, or closing/opening a tab, for cheating. - Keyboard shortcuts, like miniming the window, or closing/opening a tab, for cheating. Contact me at dumbsearch@icloud.com if your interested in contributing. You can also drop ideas on the OpenStudy thread.

  13. AravindG
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    well i tried to open a new tab ..then google chrome showed dialog ..then i checked prevent site from opening additional dialogs and i could get away from it

  14. mathslover
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    Good work @dumbsearch2 . Really good...

  15. dumbsearch2
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    Yes, but if you do that, you're stilled reported @AravindG , as explained by the dialog box.

  16. dumbsearch2
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    Thank you, @mathslover . :)

  17. AravindG
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    oh i see :)

  18. dumbsearch2
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    @umarsback Before saying that this project is a total failure, I am curious how you opened the new tab... this would be a lot more constructive to tell me how, as I could correct this issue... if it's by disabling JavaScript, well that is currently getting fixed.

  19. UmarsBack
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    ok.

  20. AravindG
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    @Preetha what do you think about our project :)

  21. dumbsearch2
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    I've just released a new version of The Cheating Project, which now reports disabling JavaScript... Disabling JavaScript could hinder the abilities of the cheating protection... As always, the URL is here: http://www.dumbsearch.com/thecheatingproject/ Report any loophole, I think this is getting really good! ^_^

  22. erdog82
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    @dumsearch Did you mention me somewhere, it said you did?

  23. dumbsearch2
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    yes, curious on your thought about it :)

  24. brookie5150
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    it took me forever to get out of the demo. :o

  25. dumbsearch2
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    yes thats the point and if you try, you get reported ^_^ It's a demo for a real-life situation It's a success if it's hard ^_^

  26. brookie5150
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    it DID say i can stop the page from displaying additional pop ups. and that's how i got out.

  27. erdog82
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    @dumbsearch2 Its good!

  28. UmarsBack
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    i would so fail all of my homework and exams if this is successful. just saying.

  29. dumbsearch2
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    Yes, you'll be able to get out, but as the alert warned, you will be reported if you persist. @brookie5150

  30. dumbsearch2
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    Thank you @erdog82

  31. brookie5150
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    but i really like the concept of it. how will it "inform your teacher"?

  32. dumbsearch2
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    it will contact the provided address for whoever the course or administrator specifies to notify.

  33. AravindG
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    ^^ this guy is awesome :)

  34. dumbsearch2
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    haha, no. :) @Aravindg is much awesomer xD

  35. brookie5150
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    sounds like you have this all well-thought out, outstanding job!

  36. dumbsearch2
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    Thank you! :) @brookie5150

  37. Opcode
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    I just realized something... Download page as .html Disconnect your internet. Open it... No security :3

  38. dumbsearch2
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    why would there be no security ? @opcode

  39. dumbsearch2
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    besides, in most cases you won't be able to submit your test offline if you do that you're saying that they could right-click the link, download it... but what if each question is on a different page, and they'res no link, just a button ? there only getting one question when they download

  40. dumbsearch2
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    and so your saying that they'd look up the answers on the downloaded file, and then go online to submit it ?

  41. dumbsearch2
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    besides, the downloaded file would still retain it's security, as far as I know

  42. Opcode
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    You can still download it... CTRL+S or access it from the menu tab of GC/IE/FF/NS And it wouldn't... I've already tested it.

  43. dumbsearch2
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    it would report you when you try to near the top of the page ^_^

  44. dumbsearch2
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    you get an alert besides, when you click ctrl, it gives you also gives you an alert

  45. Opcode
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    It didn't report me :3

  46. dumbsearch2
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    really ? which browser ?

  47. Opcode
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    FF/IE

  48. dumbsearch2
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    the teachers woudn't be notified if they downloaded it... but how would the students know that ? isn't this overkill? besides, how would they download the file ?

  49. dumbsearch2
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    weird works great on safari gonna check this out...

  50. dumbsearch2
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    oh dear! your right! it only works in safari !

  51. Opcode
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    Okay. Another bug. If you refresh the page and quickly move your mouse to the url. You can open tabs with out detection... As well as download the page etc.

  52. AravindG
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    opcode nice spotting ..keep going :D

  53. Opcode
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    Also web about text based browsers?

  54. dumbsearch2
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    text based browsers ? most courses require javascript lets not go that far xD

  55. mathslover
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    I used to do this spotting in my friends's copy when a teacher checks that I just say " Sir, there is the mistake !!! " and he just fills the complete work with red pen : ) I used to like that and tease them but just when I was a child. Though what opcode is doing is really nice!!! as it will help the @dumbsearch2 project be successful .

  56. dumbsearch2
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    stupid security in chrome blocks me from preventing tab actions via shortcuts!#@$

  57. dumbsearch2
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    ah disabled cut&paste

  58. dumbsearch2
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    but opening tabs seems not to be disabled via shortcuts on chrome

  59. karatechopper
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    Coolaid.

  60. dumbsearch2
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    Well, at least it blocks keyboard actions on Safari, but I'm still unable to get it working on Chrome... http://www.dumbsearch.com/thecheatingproject/

  61. dumbsearch2
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    I added further protection on copy+paste.

  62. dumbsearch2
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    @karatechopper Any suggestion ?

  63. yrelhan4
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    how do you guys do that? :O good job. keep going and all the best. :D

  64. dumbsearch2
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    Thank you, @yrelhan4 :)

  65. dumbsearch2
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    @Opcode It currently works best on Safari But I improved the copy+paste protection on Chrome

  66. karatechopper
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    I say good luck :)

  67. dumbsearch2
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    Thank you, @karatechopper :)

  68. SWAG
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    Nice bro

  69. dumbsearch2
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    Thanks, @swag! :D Any suggestions ?

  70. SWAG
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    Reply to my PM

  71. AravindG
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    @dumbsearch2 i founded a flaw...i used shortcut key for minimizing and then i could use a different browser to open openstudy !

  72. Opcode
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    Windows key + tab :3

  73. AravindG
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    ^^exactly

  74. dumbsearch2
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    erm

  75. dumbsearch2
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    well woudn't it be harder since it's not possible to copy+paste ?

  76. AravindG
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    hmm.. if its a small question the user can easily type that out

  77. dumbsearch2
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    yeaa I can't really do anything about those deep, deep windows controls

  78. AravindG
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    hmm... Assuming the student is not that good with shortcut keys All izz well !

  79. AravindG
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    @Opcode any suggestions on that ?

  80. Opcode
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    Yes. Create your own browser. And block all shortcut commands >:D

  81. AravindG
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    ^^ mind blowing..i fell off from my chair

  82. dumbsearch2
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    um this would not really work

  83. dumbsearch2
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    :P

  84. AravindG
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    http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6403688/web-page-detect-and-block-certain-keyboard-shortcuts :O

  85. dumbsearch2
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    I know that already . :(( @AravindG

  86. AravindG
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    :(

  87. Opcode
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    It's possible. I mean looking back at me state test that I took online, they had their own browser. It literately blocked ever key command, the only way was to get the teacher to approve you her computer. Which would force log you out, and then you could use the other browser. If they were serious in stopping cheating, they could easily make a system like this.

  88. dumbsearch2
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    they could... but I still think that this is a project which COULD reduce the amount of cheating, (I just found code to detect cheating in history), and I think it would not remove the flexibility of online schooling.

  89. Opcode
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    In history? Do share... :3

  90. dumbsearch2
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    the :visited selector in CSS

  91. Frostbite
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    I'll be sad to say that fighting plagiarism is not that easy.

  92. mathslover
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    @dumbsearch2 I am able to open a new tab on chrome : ctrl + T

  93. dumbsearch2
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    yes. It's still in development, but blocking new tabs via shortcuts has already been implemented in Safari.

  94. dumbsearch2
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    Everybody! :D We've released a new version of the cheating project! :D ^_^ Check it out! :) http://www.dumbsearch.com/thecheatingproject

  95. dumbsearch2
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    @frogs29 @Agent_Sniffles @opcode @FlaCaLOL @help123please.

  96. dumbsearch2
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    I hope this project will expand, and to get some volunteers! ^_^

  97. frogs29
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    I think this is great!

  98. dumbsearch2
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    thank you! :) enter your email if you'd like to be a part of it ^_^

  99. frogs29
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    What kind of help do you need yet?

  100. dumbsearch2
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    Quote: "Want to join us? Enter your email address to give suggestions, alpha test or join the team:"

  101. dumbsearch2
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    Are you "nnnnn@nnn.com"?

  102. dumbsearch2
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    Please enter a real email address, @frogs29 , cause even if it's a mailinator address, otherwise it's impossible to contact you.

  103. frogs29
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    I dont really want everyone to know my email but can i message it to you?

  104. AravindG
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    this is the sscreen i have ......

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  105. dumbsearch2
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    it's not everyone, it just gets sent to me @frogs29

  106. frogs29
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    Oh OK.:)

  107. dumbsearch2
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    yes @AravindG I see the "our forum" in yellow!! Which screen contrasting do you have set up ?

  108. AravindG
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    you see?? have I gone colour blind !!

  109. dumbsearch2
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    I see the screenshot! It's yellow! Is your screen not configured properly ?

  110. AravindG
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    i dunno let me try another browser

  111. AravindG
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    @dumbsearch2 can you circle that portion where you want me to click ?

  112. dumbsearch2
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    https://discussions.zoho.com/thecheatingproject#Home

  113. dumbsearch2
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    it's at drop your two cents at *the forum"

  114. AravindG
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    for me its just text not hyperlink

  115. dumbsearch2
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    try clicking on it ?

  116. AravindG
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    ok got it !! :)

  117. dumbsearch2
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    @poopsiedoodle

  118. poopsiedoodle
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    what am I doing here? o-o

  119. dumbsearch2
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    I would love your feedback, poopsie! :D

  120. poopsiedoodle
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    Tomorrow. Bed now.

  121. dumbsearch2
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    k! :)

  122. poopsiedoodle
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    But first, a post in the OS feedback section.

  123. KonradZuse
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    The problem is you are trying to limit user actions, on their own computer, which can be illegal. you are trying to limit opening new tabs and going to new tabs when on openstudy, so how do they get out? What if they close open study, check for an answer, and then come back? We cannot try to make using the site harder, as that will make users extremely unhappy, and will kill activity on this sie.

  124. dumbsearch2
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    Haha, no. You mistook the purpose of this project. The whole point is that this is a service which could be used on online tests, to prevent cheating. I see no practical purposes of using this on OpenStudy.

  125. KonradZuse
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    Oh, sorry :p. If you look at my latest post from the teacher of an online school you would see that if these schools implemented a "in house final" these students wont be cheating that much :).

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