## SnuggieLad Group Title Florida Virtual School students, Hopefully this is you your standards. Three of the members of OpenStudy have banded together to make a email in regards to the recent email sent to most math students. Naming no names the original email goes as follows. one year ago one year ago

ok so why does this topic need to be made 5 times? We appreciate what you're doing, but when I see the same thing over and over it's not good. Especially with comments in each individual topic...

@Callisto @KonradZuse @Preetha @poopsiedoodle @TuringTest @karatechopper

5. ParthKohli Group Title

I don't know how to react to this. I kind of agree with FLVS. The students here are not actually learning. But this is just a problem with our users who don't understand the consequences.

some of us are! openStudy is a valubal recourse to us and we dont want to lose it. Florida virual only sees the kids who are misusing it not the kids who are using it to seek help when they dont understand

7. ParthKohli Group Title

We called the CA staff to moderate. Similarly, we need their staff to know what questions are from FLVS.

8. Callisto Group Title

I understand your concern over this issue, so do we. But it would be wise of you to stop writing these email for now. While you are claiming that you just express your view over this issue as a member of OS, your wording sounds as if you are representing OS. Please be calm, think twice before you take any actions. Also, give admins some time to handle it.

9. TuringTest Group Title

Remember that ambassadors are not here to do more than greet new users and show them the ropes.

The problem is, they aren't meeting us at all, nor do they really care IMO. Cheating is cheating, they don't care if you're playing nice, it's just those who cheat. AS callisto said, and I said last night, this isn't your place to post this. You say you're an ambassador, so what does that mean to them? That we are letting students moderate a website used for cheating? This is the place FOR ADMINS, not for AMBIES, USERS< or MODS IMO. Again this has been posted so many times, and yeah this is a collective post for everything, but still this is an admin situation.

then were are the admins...all tries to contact them and nobody gets a responce...this is something showing our own concern...your correct the wording may be off but that doesnt take away the point...a agree with you all and i understand your points...please understand ours...this is somthing seperate from openstudy...notice we didnt have any people outside of FLVS students assist in writing...this if from us to them...our responce of that...we are not speaking for the website but we are speaking for flvs members...thank you for your concern for us it really means a lot we will make it clear that this email is not from the site but students

12. ParthKohli Group Title

Correct, this is only related to the administrators and the people who are cheating. We members must only spot the cheaters. That's it.

13. poopsiedoodle Group Title

One other thing, noticed on the front page today that FLVS is partnered with Connections Academy. So, I think this applies to Connections students too.

we are not overstepping our bounds as individuals...and members...we truely get help from this site...much needed help...not cheating ...not answers...but help in understanding the subjects when we cant get ahold of the teachers

Connections Academy is also trying to stop the use of openstudy

16. ParthKohli Group Title

You are not. But before that, please the admins decide what they want to do. They might send this email from their side... which'd be much more representative.

I was in charge of writing...nothing else...

18. Callisto Group Title

Please do not try to make it more complicated. Writing all these emails may put you in disadvantage and worsen the case.

if the admins dont see it fit they can ban me but i will be able to say i stood up for a site i truely believe in the mission of...i dont care if they ban me...i will still be proud to say i tried to help other students...

we are not rebelling against FLVS or trying to speak for the whole site but if anything goes wrong my butt is on the line...not yours...

21. EvonHowell Group Title

Ok, i agree with the Mods, this is why on the other Posts i saw and replied too I said you guys need to contact the Mods and have them deal with it it wasn't your place at all to send that all you are doing is makeing the case worse. Well, you didn't help other Student in the Right way. Mods in my expert opinion if he is not removed people are going to get banned and alot are Ambassadors GOOD ambassadors this is what I think but it is up too you. Ambassador EvonHowell

you will not get banned...i wont get banned either...i am expressing concern which is in the constitution...i hate to play that card but now its on the table...you neither any of the other mods have to be in the line of fire...NOTHING WILL HAPPEN! its alright...it was simply an email from flvs students on openstudy...not anything more...you dont have to like the idea...its not up to you...its us that want our voice to be heard..and we simply wanted to let you know so we werent doing it without others knowladge

23. poopsiedoodle Group Title

If there are bad consequences, the three of us will be to blame. No one else. Nothing will happen to any of you guys.

24. poopsiedoodle Group Title

Pardon me while I post Preetha's reply to my post where I said that I sent the email.

25. ParthKohli Group Title

The three of you will be blamed, and the reputation of 100,000 will be at stake. :-\

26. samtasticc Group Title

Perhaps OS needs to rethink how it appears to the general public. Kids come sign up to OS thinking they will get answers to their test questions. Perhaps OS needs to make a sweep of members that are using the site for cheating, I've been asked multiple times by users to write essays for them, give them answers to tests, etc. I've always seen OS as a tutoring site, not as a site for answers. Maybe we need to express that a bit more, tutoring not cheating? I dunno.

27. samtasticc Group Title

You need to make it clear to FLVS that OS is meant to help, not to give answers.

28. poopsiedoodle Group Title

Here you go. VVVVV

29. samtasticc Group Title

^ Herp.

30. ParthKohli Group Title

Are you sure that is not sarcasm?

31. EvonHowell Group Title

I think it sarcasm

32. TuringTest Group Title

It's not an enthusiastic endorsement, that's for sure. I think we should ask her for clarification on how to proceed on matters like this in the future.

33. poopsiedoodle Group Title

Well, she said nothing negative about it. That's good enough for me. Again, the email was already sent, followed by one to clarify that we are just students.

34. poopsiedoodle Group Title

35. ParthKohli Group Title

I don't see her saying, "Yes! You can email it!" anywhere either. So I'd go with @TuringTest on this one. :-)

36. poopsiedoodle Group Title

And there she is now. She can state her position.

37. poopsiedoodle Group Title

holy poo this is going to be a long one.

38. Preetha Group Title

Folks, we do not condone cheating and plagiarism on the site. We support schools like FLVS and CA in their quest to eliminate such activities. We are also supportive of Openstudiers who come here to use the site as intended - to give help and get help - regardless of where they came from. So that is my position. If you, FLVS/OpenStudiers, want to represent your position, and maintain that you are ad will be ethical users of the site, you are within your right to represent your position to your school. You need a place where you can ask for help. And always be polite, respectful and make your point courteously.

do you think the letter is respectfull?

40. SWAG Group Title

Case Closed.

41. EvonHowell Group Title

This case is closed plaese CLOSE this Question ASAP

42. dumbsearch2 Group Title

43. dumbsearch2 Group Title

Also, regarding their initial message, just want to let you know that by picking up "The Cheating Project", there are many ways to detect actions in your browser history programmatically. So don't rebel against there rules!! Until something is worked out, and they explicitly allow such actions.

44. ParthKohli Group Title

The thing meant by that comment was that this is not a democracy! This issue is about the site, not you. Users should work on reduction of cheating as far as possible. If you are letting the site down, just leave it and let the admins work on it. You should avoid losing your trust. Instead of sending them an email that practically would do nothing, you can prove that they are wrong. Where were you guys when they were cheating?

45. ParthKohli Group Title

That comment might have come out a little better, but I hope you get my point. :-)

46. dumbsearch2 Group Title

I'm not on this site 24/7, but is anyone ? I try my best!

47. dumbsearch2 Group Title

Very interesting to see @preetha's response: "So that is my position. If you, FLVS/OpenStudiers, want to represent your position, and maintain that you are ad will be ethical users of the site, you are within your right to represent your position to your school. You need a place where you can ask for help. And always be polite, respectful and make your point courteously. "

48. Callisto Group Title

"when the mods say that the ambys have no powere and to practically forget them, and that their mod privileges allow them to help." Don't get us wrong. Ambies don't have power to represent the whole OS community, neither do mods. The ball is in admins' court.

49. dumbsearch2 Group Title

I do agree, however, that this should have been clarified... By being signed "all contributors to the OpenStudy community", it makes it appear that the mods/admins had a part of the letter. I think it should have been more clear who they were representing, the regular user, or an amby.

50. EvonHowell Group Title

Amby's are worth something Trust me we may not have power to ban someone but yet at the same time we do if we find someone cheating We call a Mod ASAP or if they are being disrespectful we tell them to pipe down and if they don't we call for a Mod well that's at least me! Us amby's we can have people suspended.

guys...drop it...i am talking with preetha and everything is ok...she is up to date agrees with it and thanks us for our help...question is closed.... thank you @Preetha @dumbsearch2 and thank you for your comments @Callisto @ParthKohli @TuringTest @EvonHowell your opinions have not gone unoticed to me and everyone else and i thank you for them

52. TuringTest Group Title

My position on ambys came from my earlier suggestion to actually give ambys more power, when I was corrected by admin that this was not their job; that they had a very explicit job description which was as welcomers. @preetha I must admit that I am surprised that you do not express concern about this email representing the site, and who that job should belong to, as I and others are saying. May I ask your stance on others sending letters like this in the future?

53. ParthKohli Group Title

I think the ambassadors were hired $$\mathbf{only}$$ for welcoming users.

54. EvonHowell Group Title

We were also hired to watch the site basically and to report users who are not obeying OpenStudy COC.

55. dumbsearch2 Group Title

Honestly, from my first post in this thread: "I would be glad if everyone on OpenStudy would be this caring and cooperative." I do believe that it's fine for the user to talk about his opinion, and sign with a few users, but representing the site is a bit much... Though I wished you wouldn't yell at these users for their attempts to being cooperative. I find it very pleasing that they took all the time they took to write this letter, to help the community, and getting mad at this action, which was very well-mean't makes me a little sad inside. In an ideal community, everyone has a say. Just my two-cents

56. Preetha Group Title

Folks: Today: Ambis represent the site. Welcoming new comers and help them have a good first experience. And are nice, helpful and help newbs find the Code of Conduct. Mods: are selected for expertise in a subject and for superior maturity and ability to enforce the Code of Conduct wisely and courteously. Two different programs. Different intent and different powers/responsibilities etc.

57. amistre64 Group Title

.... and then there was me :)

58. Preetha Group Title

You were the first and a leading light Amistre! We love you.

59. EvonHowell Group Title

60. ParthKohli Group Title

I actually think that the 1-9 are the roles of each and every user.

61. dumbsearch2 Group Title

Yes, as stated before, being an amby is just a state of mind.

62. dumbsearch2 Group Title

It signifies that you are particularly good at those stuff ;)

63. ParthKohli Group Title

And the state of having a little logo along with your name. :-)

64. amistre64 Group Title

awww ... thnx :) FLVS rules and regulations are FLVS concerns. I agree with the FLVS ruling. This site is not a secure enough environment to prevent users from cheating. And trying to police this site for FLVS users is not in the scope of the school to perform. The FLVS users should ask for clarification in the ban of Openstudy. Is it that they cannot, in any means, seek for guidance to study their material? Or, is it that they cannot come on the site whatsoever.

65. ParthKohli Group Title

It's interesting to see how users will be able to get banned.

66. EvonHowell Group Title

Hey, who knows it may be more cause one day you may receive an email saying Congrats you have been promoted to a Moderator.

67. dumbsearch2 Group Title

I *still* hold true to what I have written previously: "Honestly, from my first post in this thread: "I would be glad if everyone on OpenStudy would be this caring and cooperative." I do believe that it's fine for the user to talk about his opinion, and sign with a few users, but representing the site is a bit much... Though I wished you wouldn't yell at these users for their attempts to being cooperative. I find it very pleasing that they took all the time they took to write this letter, to help the community, and getting mad at this action, which was very well-mean't makes me a little sad inside. In an ideal community, everyone has a say. Just my two-cents"

68. EvonHowell Group Title

Ok, the Case is closed Please go away from this question and lets get on with our day.

69. EvonHowell Group Title

70. poopsiedoodle Group Title

juslarify, when I said "all contributors to the OpenStudy community", I meant that all three of us were contributors, not that the whole community signed it.

71. poopsiedoodle Group Title

just to clarify* I have no idea what my keyboard is doing.

72. dumbsearch2 Group Title

Well, I love your mission, what you tried to do to help OpenStudy, and I find nothing wrong with it. Now what I *do* find wrong is that you didn't clarify that in the first place!! ;) I still think that the mods shouldn't have barked at you guys for such an innocent thing! It was obviously mean't well, and you took a long time writing it! Very sad they get mad at you, you were trying to be a good contributor to the community. Sad they don't encourage this! I wish more users would be like you guys!! I think in an ideal community, everyone has some say.

73. dumbsearch2 Group Title

You were so devote to the community! to do this! And they don't like it ?? I really like how the CEO, @preetha delt with it. It made a lot of sense.

dumbsearch...just drop it lol...its over...our mission is underway...we will bring this back up when its time lol

thanks though

76. EvonHowell Group Title

It doesn't need to be brought back up at all honestly!

evon...again not your place...i opened this....drop it...i will keep everyone up to date on its either success of utter failure...so till then drop it and keep this question hidden

78. dumbsearch2 Group Title

IDK! I just find this important: I believe that in an ideal community, everyone can make a difference. It makes me gladdened to see users like this. Even in America, none of us are the President (except the president ;P), but we can make small differences...

ok...but lets drop it..

80. poopsiedoodle Group Title

81. EvonHowell Group Title

Guys there need not be a reply to this untill further info is released. PLZ

Dumb, the problem you seem to not understand is that by him sending an email he can get expelled, as well as other students. I'm pretty sure you would not be happy if that were the case. We aren't "mad" at him, we just believe this is better suited to someone else. I think it was "the right thing" to do to express their concerns about using the site, another issue is that "ambassador" title was brought into the mix. It's okay that he expresses concern about his school, I would have done the same thing, but saying he is a representer of openstudy was not a good idea. They have no idea what the title means, you could be the chief answer sharing master for all they know. Again, drop it dumb, everyone has different opinions on the matter, you've stated yours at least 5x in this thread.

83. poopsiedoodle Group Title