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HELP Please. Use implicit differentiation to find the equation of the tangent line to the curve xy^3+xy=4 at the point (2,1) . The equation of this tangent line can be written in the form: y=mx+b
where M is:
and where B is:
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mathcalculus Group Title
HELP Please. Use implicit differentiation to find the equation of the tangent line to the curve xy^3+xy=4 at the point (2,1) . The equation of this tangent line can be written in the form: y=mx+b where M is: and where B is:
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
remember product rule for implicit \[(fg)' = f'g +fg'\]
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
M = slope = dy/dx
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
oh so for implicit we use the product?
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always?
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
yes and chain rule....since it is with respect to x \[d/dx f(y) = f'(y)*\frac{dy}{dx}\]
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so which is f and which is g
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im a little confused since xy^3 are together.
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
depends on the term...first there is "xy^3" f(x) = x g(y) = y^3
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so f = x and g= y^3 ?
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so is the derivative: x*3y+ y^3*1 ?
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
yes, so result is \[1*y^{3}+ x*3y^{2} \frac{dy}{dx}\]
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dy/dx?
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
thats what the slope is...which is what we are trying to find
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all i know is the product rule is this: \[\frac{ d }{ dx } (fg)= f g \prime+g f \prime\]
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
anytime you differentiate a function of "y" wrt x you must multiply by "dy/dx" refer to my prev post
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otay. so then what.
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
repeat process for all terms of equation
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what do you mean
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
xy^3 +xy = 4 you have to differentiate each term, the "xy^3" and "xy" adn "4"
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3xy^2.....
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
?? first term is \[(y^{3} +3xy^{2} \frac{dy}{dx})\]
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
next term is "xy" .... derivative is \[(y + x \frac{dy}{dx})\] then of course , derivative of constant is 0 now you have \[y^{3} +3xy^{2} \frac{dy}{dx} +y+x \frac{dy}{dx} = 0\]
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
solve for "dy/dx" in terms of x and y
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
okay i understand from here: \[\frac{ dy }{ dx}= 3xy ^{2}+ y ^{3}\]
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then from there, i don't know what to do.
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@dumbcow
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
well from there you would plug in the given point (2,1) to give you the slope (M) of tangent line but how did you solve for dy/dx .... your answer is wrong
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i didn't i'm doing this step by step
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from the result.. ^^ i just multiplied.
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
?? sorry i am not understanding
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
remember before you wrote "yes, result is bla blah" then from there i just multiplied... x*(3y)^2 + y^3 *1
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you know.
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
hey mathcalculus
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
do you know chain rule
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
let me just show the steps, maybe that will help \[y^{3}+3xy^{2} \frac{dy}{dx} +y+x \frac{dy}{dx} = 0\] \[3xy^{2} \frac{dy}{dx}+x \frac{dy}{dx} = y^{3}y\] \[\frac{dy}{dx}(3xy^{2}+x) = y^{3}y\] \[\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{y^{3}y}{3xy^{2}+x}\]
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
i get the feeling i lost you when i started using "dy/dx" :{
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
mhm :/
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dw:1363334405957:dw @dan815
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
think about it like this Y is a function of X right so say you have to take the derivative of 2x^2 what is it?
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
wait wait wait
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
thx @dan815 for clarifying :) i didn't explain very well
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
remember how chain rule works
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
the chain rule: if f(x)= g(k(x)) then f prime x= g prime (k(x))k prime (x) correct?
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@dumbcow you explained very good too.
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@dumbcow no its okay lol i can relate to him cuz i know how noobs think :)
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i just can't understand @dan815 techwriting lol
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yes that is chain rule
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
noob? _
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411 not a guy.
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
haha trust me we are all noobs, just wait till you see how much those phd profs know
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
okay dc back to math.
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thank god, no more crazy math after this. but seriously back to work lol
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i have to understand this.
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok ok so for implicit differentiation when you see Y think about it like some function on x
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ello?
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yup got that.
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then?
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so first i was told to use the product rule.. then the chain. which that confused me a little. so lets take it step by step please.
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
yes you are going to need both those rules for this
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
no remember than y is like a function of x
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
darn it.
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so we use the product rule 1st.
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
sub 2x where you see Y and solve it
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i have no idea what im doing.
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
for some reason I'm all confused.
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
okay look at this question again same question but im telling you what y is
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
don't tell me what y is. how am i suppose to know alone?
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let's do that problem that I gave.
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
just do this im trying to teach you how to do the problem above and every other problem like this
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
k .
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x= 2/5 ?
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i plugged in 2x..
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
wut no find dervivative
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
do you get how i got that when i differentiated there
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
whats confusing you there is it the d/dx?
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i know that you know how to take derivate of Xs
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
any progress being made here...
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yeah im looking.
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ya i think so lol we've found the root problem here
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
she just doesnt know what it means to difference functions as opposed to variables
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@dumbcow you used the product rule first which i was understanding.... until mr. CHAIN RULE came along to make a knot.
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
do you understand this yet?
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dumbcow Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.4
yeah...sorry i figured that was implied since we are dealing with implicit differentiation :
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yeah @dan815 but now why did you multiply 2 at the end.?
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
thats chain rule remember you have to multiply by the derivative of the function inside the bracket
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i understand you got the derivative
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
this is known as the chain rule
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okie let's do our problem @dan815
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i know youre trying to teach me, so i can do the rest.. etc; but i need to do one problem first in order to proceed.
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i remember the chain rule a little better now.
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so if its dw:1363335898535:dw
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok lets go back to our problem knowing the chain rule now
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gratzie
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
what i really wanted you to undetsand was this concept though basically you have to think of Y as a function so when you see Ys differentiating Y is like differentiation of a function so think chain rules
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so for the implict up there
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mathcalculus Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
got it, think the x as in y.
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so our problem... is this: xy^3+xy=4 at the point (2,1) .
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start by:
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