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Neo92
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Find the equation of the plane passing through the intersection of the planes 2xy=0 and 3zy=0 and perpendicular to the plane 3x+6y3z=8.
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Neo92 Group Title
Find the equation of the plane passing through the intersection of the planes 2xy=0 and 3zy=0 and perpendicular to the plane 3x+6y3z=8.
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
I hope you're prepared for some real number crunching :D It might help to get the equations of the line upon which the planes 2xy=0 and 3zy=0 intersect ^.^
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@Neo92 Do you have any ideas how to solve this?
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
Let nothing distract you from the ultimate prize ^.^ We're after a point on the plane, as well as a normal vector, a vector which is perpendicular to the plane. These highly soughtafter items will help us achieve... the equation of the plane :D
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Neo92 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@klimenkov No pal.. Can u tell me a gud site or a buk to refer? @PeterPan What is the eqn of the line of intersection? is it 2x3z?
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naatiq Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
equation of line of intersection will be 2x = y = 3z
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
Lines are fickly creatures :) While in 2d, they are as docile and manageable as anything, in 3d, they are tricksters, ready to confuse the unsuspecting student. For in 3d, one equation is not sufficient to define a line... you need 2. A line is always defined as the intersection of two planes, there's no avoiding it! Now, all you need to get the equationS of a line is a point on that line, and a vector direction :) Any idea how to get those?
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Ok. I will help you to solve, if I see that you are interested in. Actually there is no need in the equation of the line of intersection. Do you know what is a vector product?
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waterineyes Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Equation of plane passing through 2xy = 0 and 3zy = 0 will be: \((2xy) + \lambda(3zy) = 0\)
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Neo92 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@klimenkov Yep i know. But im supposed to do this using Coordinate geometry..
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waterineyes Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Here we are to just find what is \(\lambda\)..
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
On second thought, @klimenkov is right, who needs lines, when you only need the vector :D Haha, my bad :3
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waterineyes Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
There from that equation just separate x, y and z terms..
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Neo92 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@waterineyes i got it. So hw cn we find
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
What will be normal vectors for planes \(2xy=0\) and \(3zy=0\) ?
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waterineyes Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\(2x + y(1  \lambda) + z(3 \lambda) = 0\)
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
Here's a hint, @Neo92 The normal vector for the plane ax + by + cz = d is the vector <a , b , c>
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Neo92 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@klimenkov <2,1,0>,<0,1,2> @PeterPan Thnks.
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Is it true that if you make a cross product of them it will be a vector in the plane that you are finding?
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
That's right :) What we know about the plane we're looking for, it's gonna contain the entire line of intersection of the two planes you just found normal vectors for. That line is going to be orthogongal (perpendicular) to both their normal vectors, then. Given two vectors, what's a surefire way to get a new vector that's perpendicular to both?
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Neo92 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@klimenkov Nope. Itz perpendicular to both planes. I think thtz sa answer for @PeterPan s ques also..
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waterineyes Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
As this is perpendicular to the plane 3x + 6y  3z  8 = 0 So: \(6 6  6\lambda 9\lambda = 0\) \(15 \lambda = 0\) \(\lambda = 0..\) SO: Equation required should be : 2x  y = 0 Or I am wrong.. :(
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Neo92 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@waterineyes You got the general eqn for line of intersection of two planes. am I correct?
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
No, @Neo92 Your two vectors <2 , 1 , 0> and <0 , 1 , 2> are orthogonal (perpendicular) to your planes, but these vectors are definitely not in the plane we're looking for. What WILL be in the plane we're looking for, is the vector that's orthogonal (perpendicular) to both <2 , 1 , 0> and <0, 1 , 2> What's that vector?
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Neo92 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@waterineyes Can u xplain a little bit? Im totally new to this stuff?
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waterineyes Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
But I am not quite sure that I got right answer or not...
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waterineyes Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I have applied the right formula with right calculations and I got 2xy = 0 or 2x = y.. This should be correct I believe..
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
I'm just saying, guys @waterineyes and @Neo92 I found out the hard way (through @klimenkov 's friendly reminder) that the line of intersection is actually not necessary, only the vector. Maybe this is taking it a bit too far?
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@PeterPan Do you see the way I want to solve this task?
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waterineyes Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
See, the equation of plane passing through the intersection of tow other planes namely \(a_1x + b_1y + c_1z + d_1 = 0\) and \(a_2x + b_2y + c_2z + d_2 = 0\) is given by: \[(a_1x + b_1y + c_1z + d_1) + \lambda(a_2x + b_2y + c_2z + d_2) = 0\] Where \(\lambda \) is some constant..
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Neo92 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@PeterPan I got to do this using coordinate geometry pal.
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waterineyes Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Here we have to find lambda and for that it is necessary that you must be provided with one more constraint which in this case is our required plane is perpendicular to another plane, this is what helps in finding value of lambda..
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
Does that mean no vectors? @Neo92
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Neo92 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@waterineyes Yep..
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waterineyes Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Suppose the two planes are : \[a_1x + b_1y + c_1z + d_1 = 0 \quad and \quad a_2x + b_2y + c_2z + d_2 = 0\] So if two planes are perpendicular then: \[a_1a_2 + b_1b_2 + c_1c_2 = 0\]
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Neo92 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@PeterPan Dnt knw xactly. im confused. @waterineyes got it.. :D
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waterineyes Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
By using this is I have found lambda there.. One plane has equation: \[2x + y(1  \lambda) + z(3 \lambda) = 0\] And other has: \[3x+6y3z8 = 0\] Here use the above property that I have given..
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waterineyes Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@PeterPan what you got as an final answer?? If you don't wanna tell then message me..
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Neo92 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
wait im working on it,,, by the way can anyone tell me a gud buk o a website to refer??
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waterineyes Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Great...
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waterineyes Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Yes this is correct.. So remember when a plane is passing through intersection of two other planes and is perpendicular to some other plane, then you will find equation like this..
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Neo92 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@waterineyes ,@PeterPan ,@klimenkov thnx 4 da help guys..
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waterineyes Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
You are welcome dear..
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
You are welcome.
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
Might as well... You could get the cross product of the normal vectors of 2xy = 0 and 3z  y = 0 <2 , 1 , 0> x <0 , 1, 3> = <3 , 6 , 2> and this is one of the vectors on your plane the other vector is the normal vector of 3x + 6y  3z = 8 which is <3 , 6 , 3> Now, since both <3 , 6, 2> and <3 , 6 , 3> are on the plane, their cross product, which is <30 , 15 , 0> is NORMAL to the plane you're looking for. Now you just have to find a point on your plane, which can be done by letting x = 0, and you'll find that y = 0 and z = 0, using the equations 2x  y = 0 and 3z  y = 0 Thus, the point (0 , 0 , 0) is on your plane. Now that you have your point and normal vector, the equation of the plane is 30(x  0) + 15(y  0) + 0(z  0) = 0 30x + 15y = 0 2x + y = 0
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
By the way, given a point (a , b , c) in your plane and a vector <p , q , r> which is normal to your plane, the equation of the plane is given by p(x  a) + q(y  b) + r(z  c) = 0
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Neo92 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
does the vector <p, q, r> means the direction cosines of the line//
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
NO, the vector <p , q , r> means the vector that is perpendicular to the plane. No lines are involved, thank heavens :D
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
Here, I'll derive it for you :) Say you have a plane, we don't know its equations yet. And a point (a , b , c) on the plane, as well as a vector <p , q , r> dw:1364728078914:dw
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
Such that < p q r > is perpendicular to the plane.
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
Then if we take any point (x , y , z) in the planedw:1364728184367:dw
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
dw:1364728197885:dw
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
And then draw the vector from (a b c) to (x y z)
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
dw:1364728225211:dw This vector would have be <xa , yb , zc>
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
No matter where the point (x y z) is, as long as it's on the plane, the vector from (a b c) to (x y z) would ALWAYS be perpendicular to the vector <p q r> as you can see.
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
Thus the dot (scalar) product of <p q r> and <xa , yb , zc> should ALWAYS be zero. \[\Large <p \ , \ q \ , \ r> \cdot <xa \ , \ yb \ , \ z c>=0\]\[\huge p(xa)+q(yb)+r(zc)=0\]
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
And that's how the equation of the plane came about ^.^
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
I hope you liked my story :D
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Neo92 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@PeterPan Yeap.. :D
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klimenkov Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Very good @PeterPan. I would have given you the second medal if I could.
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PeterPan Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3
That's so awesome of you guys, this was so much fun ^.^
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Neo92 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Thz z cool guys....
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