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A box contains 8 dark chocolates, 8 white chocolates, and 8 milk chocolates. I choose chocolates at random (yes, without replacement; I’m eating them). What is the chance that I have chosen 20 chocolates and still haven’t got all the dark ones? what is your answer to that
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A box contains 8 dark chocolates, 8 white chocolates, and 8 milk chocolates. I choose chocolates at random (yes, without replacement; I’m eating them). What is the chance that I have chosen 20 chocolates and still haven’t got all the dark ones? what is your answer to that
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KABRIC Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dont really get it
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UsukiDoll Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
choose milk chocolates choose white chocolates and just 4 dark chocolates XD
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
the question says that you still haven't got ALL the dark ones, so you COULD get 4 dark chocolates to 7 dark chocolates, but not the full 8
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i thought it said 'any'
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
do you get the question now?
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UsukiDoll Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I'm thinking milk white milk white milk white milk white milk white
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
you wantthe probability of not getting all 8 dark chocolates. you are guaranteed at least 4 dark chocolates so the possibilities are 4 dark, 5 dark, 6 dark, 7 dark
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yep, so if you find the probability of getting 8 dark chocolates, you can minus it from 1 and you'll get the probability of getting 4 dark, ... 7 dark
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
there are 4 favorable cases, out of 5 total possible cases favorable cases : : exactly 4 dark , 16 nondark : exactly 5 dark 15 nondark exactly 6 dark 14 nondark exactly 7 dark 13 nondark total cases : exactly 4 dark , 16 nondark : exactly 5 dark 15 nondark exactly 6 dark 14 nondark exactly 7 dark 13 nondark exactly 8 dark , 12 nondark I see no reason not to treat these choices as equally likely. therefore the probability of not picking all dark ones is 4/5
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
since they must add up to 20 , these are the only possibilites
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
notice 3 dark 17 nondark is impossible
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
the situation is constrained by two facts there must be no more than 16 nondark chocolates there must be at least 4 dark chocalates
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
that produces (16,4) (15, 5 ) (14,6) (13, 7) (12,8)
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
the situation is constrained by two facts you cannot have more than 16 nondark chocolates you cannot have more than 8 dark chocolates there must be at least 4 dark chocalates so the possibilities are (# nondark, # dark) (16,4) (15, 5 ) (14,6) (13, 7) (12,8) there is 4/5 favorable
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
can i get a yes?
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
sure, i guess
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
the explanation seems reasonable enough
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i think its more complicated, let X = number of dark ones , Y = number of nondark chocolate how many ways can you choose 16 non dark and 4 dark? how many ways can you choose 15 nondark and 5 dark?
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
P( chance not getting all dark in 20 draws) = P( X = 4 & Y= 16 or X= 5 & Y=15 or X=6 & Y=14 or X=7 or Y=13 )
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
that's what i thought too, but if you add up all the ways to not get all 8 dark chocolate, i'm like 90% sure you'll get 4/5...cause there are like 60 ways if you account for each individual selection
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
P( X = 4 & Y= 16 or X= 5 & Y=15 or X=6 & Y=14 or X=7 or Y=13 ) = P ( X=4 & Y=16) + P(X=5 & Y=15) + ...
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
btw, what level of maths is this?
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i meant like are you still in school or university?
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
P(Y=16 & X=4) = P(Y=16) * P (X=4  Y = 16) =
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
im in university
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
oh, then you might not want to listen to me, i'm in yr 11 doing yr 12 maths so yea...
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i find this problem confusing
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
whoops, should have told you that at the start!
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
im trying to force these into mutually exclusive possibilities
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
you cannot have more than 16 nondark chocolates you cannot have more than 8 dark chocolates there must be at least 4 dark chocalates so the possibilities are (# nondark, # dark) (16,4) (15, 5 ) (14,6) (13, 7) (12,8)
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
but are these equally likely?
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
if these possibilities are equally likely to occur (and they are mutually exclusive), then the probability is 4/5
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i'd assume so, unless some were heavier or bigger than the others (which isn't so)
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
im use to working on problems like 5/12*4/11 , those sorts of problems
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
me too, I guess you could do that, but you'd be there forever!
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
what was your approach?
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I found the probability of getting all 8 chocolates, kinda took a while and subtracted it from 1
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
can you show me your work
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i need your help :)
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
dw:1366635152002:dw
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
hmm..i guess you could use combinatorics
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
does order matter?
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
because i want Probability ( 4 dark& 16 nondark) exactly
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[\frac{ 8C4*16C16 }{24C20 }+\frac{ 8C5*16C15 }{24C20}+\frac{ 8C6*16C14}{24C20}+\frac{ 8C7*16C13 }{24C20 }\]
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
what do you get from that?
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
the first is the case 4 dark & 16 nondark then 5 dark& 15 nondark
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
the order of eating them does not count, but we should label in our mind the chocolates. if you want, label the dark chocolates 18, and label the nondark chocolates 924
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so now we have the problem dark chocolate = { 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8} , nondark { 9,10,11,12,... 23,24} , the numbers are going to be labels for the chocolates, ok ?
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i could have used letters,
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so for instance, suppose we want four dark chocolates, and 16 nondark chocolate. so we do probability = # favorable outcomes / # total possibilities the favorable, first choose 4 dark chocolates which has a total of 8 choose 4 ways to do it, then multiply by that how many ways can you choose 16 nondark from 16 non dark. there is only one way. so im using multiplication rule (and probability)
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
the denominator is the total number of ways to choose 20 chocolates , and there are 24 choose 20 ways to choose 20 chocolates
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
anyways, show me your work, and we can compare answers . sorry if my explanation is confusing, im not exactly sure of the correct jargon
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so I got a probability of 629/759 = .8287
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I tried using permutations so like: \[\frac{ nPr(16,16)*nPr(8,4)+nPr(16,15)*nPr(8,5)...etc }{ nPr(24,20) }\] but then the amswer was: \[\frac{ 5 }{ 245157 }\] which doesn't seem right...AT ALL... so i replaced all the P with C to use combinatorics and i got 629/759, which seems more accurate than permutations
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
it's close to 4/5 at least
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
thats right, and yes its close to 4/5, but 4/5 would give you a wrong answer. i know how teachers are, lol
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KABRIC Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
perl your answer is right thx
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
and you could solve it using the complement approach .
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
kabric, how do you know?
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yea, basically what i was thinking
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
chelsea, how did you get nCr using pretty print?
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i just typed it?
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[1\frac{ \left(\begin{matrix}8 \\ 8\end{matrix}\right)*\left(\begin{matrix}16 \\ 12\end{matrix}\right) }{ \left(\begin{matrix}24 \\ 20\end{matrix}\right) }\]
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
that is 8C8 , 16 C 12
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
do you how it comes out the same ?
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
what do you mean?
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Chelsea04 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
you sort of lost me there
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
dw:1366637463112:dw
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
P( X>7 ) = P(X=8 or X=9 or .. ) but X=9 and higher is impossible so we only need to look at X = 8
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
we cant have 9 dark ones, since there arent 9 dark ones
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perl Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ok lets not pursue this further, i have a new question answering, follow me
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WalterDe Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Correct answer => http://629a3486.linkbucks.com
 one year ago
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