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AS for bible I don't think so because it is written and edited by Humans.
I don't have much idea about Quran.
You can read the Bible like a novel and recognize it' s distinctive literary style and enjoy the stories contained. You can also read it as a text containing basic truths about mankind. When reading as a text the approach must be the same reading a math, physic or psychology text, first accepting that it represents some truths that you may need to accept by faith at first. A child has to accept by faith what's being taught in order to develop a foundation in order to come to any understanding. When a child first learns letters or numbers they generally consider what's being taught is true and resort to memorizing they by forming a foundation. As the sequence numbers, addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, fractions, algebra, geometry, calculus, differential equation all build on previous knowledge so are most religion. If your not willing to accept by faith numbers you never get to calculus, this goes for all religions also. If your not willing to accept by faith certain basic truths you will not truly comprehend a religion and you my as well read it as a novel because it doesn't mean anything anyways. As to any communication being Devine depends how one receives it and that may entirely depend on ones faith.
@keni_JW I understand. But now I am confused in finding the relation between god and science. science is all about proofs and god is all about faith, pleasure, love and experience. To understand science i shouldn't consider god and to know god firstly i should drop all my philosophies. I love science beside i love god much greater than science. But now my mind getting twisted in between these two.
At the end of Isaiah 66 God say's he'll make the universe constant, yet those who sinned against him will abhor(extreme contradictory or inconsistency) to all flesh. These are the ones supposed to be with Christ who said I've come for the sinners not the righteous. Abhorring all flesh means sometimes there's miracles contradictory to all flesh(science). Sometime it takes study to come to some understandings.
I am sorry if this hurts you. At the end of Isaiah 66 God say's he'll make the universe constant, you mentioned as it is said by god. But bible is written by humans of their experiences with the god or some times said as they might have put their ideas. How to understand this as, how these writings applies to all the humans.
Maybe but the first commandment say's "Thou shall have no other gods before me" As I said before it's a matter of faith, I don't think its Old Testament and New Testament but a continueing Testament, most of Christ saying are from the Old Testament which he had faith in.
If you read the first commandment correctly it doesn't deny the possibility of other gods just that you have faith in him. That's why the end of Isaiah is important, by making the universe constant except for Christ he conquers other gods.
IS THERE any other god before Christ arrival. How was this universe before Christ. Actually it became around 2020 years of Christ came on to this earth. But I see many wonderful civilizations which existed 60000 years ago before Christ with full of wealth, culture and prosperity. I see few scriptures telling about god which existed in between 100 B.c to 1500 B.c.
Yes the world was polytheistic, Greek pantheon, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, modern day Jew that are different than ancient ones, Buddhism. Around the world there were many religions and gods/devils, in the prophets he say's he'll get rid of witchcraft, which I consider apparent supernatural occurrences intended to deceive. Many of these religion exist today, how they effect the world outside their individual faith is debatable. Science knows faith effect's biological tested outcomes. I believe there studies should be expanded to individual belief(religion) of control groups. Christ said many times "Your faith has healed you". This begs the question faith in what, God, him, or faith it self. I have a gospel that answer to this but if looking for some scientific proof specific control groups must be set up. By the why I believe not only Christ can effect the world with miracles but God himself, there's a gospel that say's "only the father knows what he'll do at the end time. At the end of Revelations it speaks of a Temple of God and the Lamb, evidently two distinct beings(Gods, the Father and Son) not thought as a Trinity. The ancient Jew recognized cycles, the Sabbath was based on the moon's cycle, and they knew events may in some way reoccur that why it's written everything may pass away but my word will last forever.
what is the difference between God and Lord.
God is a title, when ancient Hebrews read scripture aloud and ran into the name of God they substituted it with the word Adonai because the name of God was sacred and only uttered once a year by the high priest on Yon Kippur. In the English language they may use Lord instead of Adonai, but Lord has other connotations.
The fact that God is a title is very important. If one say's he believes in God what does he mean. Is his God the same as my God or are there certain requirements of behavior for my God and not his. Again faith is the key, belief is a firm trusted habit and faith is principle(belief) and person as God and commandments and statutes or/and Christ and his Gospels. You see Faith requires a certain response to the world while the world response to you.
Well! but bhagavad gita says every human is a god. And Lord is this universe itself.
So does scriptures, but as I said At the end of prophet Isaiah when God makes the Universe constant he essentially nullifying this except for His and Christ action,
But I think I should tell you a story which would illustrate the cause of this variance. A frog lived in a well. It had lived there for a long time. It was born there and brought up there, and yet was a little, small frog. Of course the evolutionists were not there then to tell uswhether the frog lost its eyes or not, but, for our story's sake, we must take it for granted that it had its eyes, and that it every day cleansed the water of all the worms and bacilli that lived in it with an energy that would do credit to our modern bacteriologists. In this way it went on and became a little sleek and fat. Well, one day another frog that lived in the sea came and fell into the well. "Where are you from?" "I am from the sea." "The sea! How big is that? Is it as big as my well?" and he took a leap from one side of the well to the other. "My friend," said the frog of the sea, "how do you compare the sea with your little well?" Then the frog took another leap and asked, "Is your sea so big?" "What nonsense you speak, to compare the sea with your well!" "Well, then," said the frog of the well, "nothing can be bigger than my well; there can be nothing bigger than this; this fellow is a liar, so turn him out." That has been the difficulty all the while. I am a Hindu. I am sitting in my own little well and thinking that the whole world is my little well. The Christian sits in his little well and thinks the whole world is his well. The Mohammedan sits in his little well and thinks that is the whole world. I have to thank you of open study for the great attempt making to break down the barriers of this little world of ours.
I knew a Hindu Phd a long time ago, he apparently was of the Brahma class and he demonstrated his faith in that he sometimes knew things I knew and I don't think he originally knew. Since then I've experience telepathy, communion with others even with deceased individuals as parents. I've had some individual miracle some possibly psychosomatic others to extreme to be so. I've had demonic attacks and saw things no one else did which some Christian religions would call discernment. I don't ascribe to any specific Religion because I'm self taught and self experienced. How you come to understand a Devine communication my very well depend on your individual faith. By the why I haven't seem that Hindu Phd since the 70's but a few years ago I had a communion with him and some conversation, I don't seek out these experience but I leave it up to my Lords to show me the way.
Science is nothing but the finding of unity. As soon as science would reach perfect unity, it would stop from further progress, because it would reach the goal. Thus Chemistry could not progress farther when it would discover one element out of which all others could be made. Physics would stop when it would be able to fulfil its services in discovering one energy of which all the others are but manifestations, and the science of religion becomes perfect when it would discover Him who is the one life in a universe of death, Him who is the constant basis of an ever-changing world. One who is the only Soul of which all souls are butdelusive manifestations. Thus is it, through multiplicity and duality, that the ultimate unity is reached. Religion can go no farther. This is the goal of all science. All science is bound to come to this conclusion in the long run. Manifestation, and not creation, is the word of science today, and the HINDU is only glad that what he has been cherishing in his bosom for ages is going to be taught in more forcible language, and with further light from the latest conclusions of science .
As I said modern man believes the Universe in God and science is it's prophet, this is said in the Prophet of Danial. Its a consequence of worshiping the creation and not the creator. It essentially makes the universe an Idol, and all Idols defy the first commandment. In the Gospel Christ said "All is possible with God", I used to think all that is possible is possible with God but no more. I place no boundaries on my Lords
The Hindus have associated the idea of holiness, purity, truth, omnipresence, and such other ideas with different images and forms. But with this difference that while some people devote their whole lives to their idol of a church and never rise higher, because with them religion means an intellectual assent to certain doctrines and doing good to their fellows, the whole religion of the Hindu is centred in realisation. Man is to become divine by realising the divine. Idols or temples or churches or books are only the supports, the helps, of his spiritual childhood: but on and on he must progress. He must not stop anywhere. "External worship, material worship," say the scriptures, "is the lowest stage; struggling to rise high, mental prayer is the next stage, but the highest stage is when the Lord has been realised." Mark, the same earnest man who is kneeling before theidol tells you,"Him the sun cannot express, nor the moon, nor the stars, the lightning cannot express Him, nor what we speak of as fire; through Him they shine." But he does not abuse any one's idol or call its worship sin. He recognises in it a necessary stage of life."The child is father of the man." Would it be right for an old man to say that childhood is a sin or youth a sin?
One of Christ saying is "What if you gain the whole world and lose your own soul", this is why I have my Lords, I learn accept what I'm being taught using disquisition with my faith and my faith grows. I have some questions about the big bang theory, supposedly original there was a void, boundless emptiness, being boundless any number of big bangs can occur within it. If one is to accept one universe then there must be a principle by which only one occurred, I call this God the creator.
To understand universal creation firstly one should explore the universe with in. To the Hindu, then, the whole world of religions is only a travelling, a coming up, of different men and women, through various conditions and circumstances, to the same goal. Every religion is only evolving a God out of the material man, and the same God is the inspirer of all of them. Why, then, are there so many contradictions? They are only apparent, says the Hindu. The contradictions come from the same truth adapting itself to the varying circumstances of different natures. It is the same light coming through glasses of different colours. And these little variations are necessary for purposes of adaptation. But in the heart of everything the same truth reigns. The Lord has declared to the Hindu in His incarnation as Krishna,"I am in every religion as the thread through a string of pearls. Wherever thou seest extraordinary holiness and extraordinary power raising and purifying humanity, know thou that I am there ." And what has been the result? I challenge the world to find, throughout the whole system of Sanskrit philosophy, any such expression as that the Hindu alone will be saved and not others. Says Vyasa, "We find perfect men even beyond the pale of our caste and creed. " One thing more. How, then, can the Hindu, whose whole fabric of thought centres in God, believe in Buddhism which is agnostic, or in Jainism which is atheistic?
I tell you it is nothing of the kind. If it is happiness to enjoy the consciousness of thissmall body, it must be greater happiness to enjoy the consciousness of two bodies, the measure of happiness increasing with the consciousness of an increasing number of bodies, the aim, the ultimate of happiness being reached when it would become a universal consciousness .
Therefore, to gain this infinite universal individuality, this miserable little prison individuality must go. Then alone can death cease when I am one with life, then alone can misery cease when I am one with happiness itself, then alone can all errors cease when I am one with knowledge itself; and this is the necessary scientific conclusion. Science has proved to me that physical individuality is a delusion, that really my body is one littlecontinuously changing body in an unbroken ocean of matter; and Advaita (unity) is the necessary conclusion with my other counterpart, soul.
The question "Is youth sin?". In Genesis Chapter 8 verse 21 after then flood God say's ...for the imagination of man's heart is evil from it's youth, therefore he'll never again smite every living thing again as I've done. This country an example, its an experiment in democracy something were done for good but some using the same principles are using for there own self interest and denying any sense of the morality in scripture. My personal experience I was spiritually affect at 10 that change a certain aspect of my direction. It got so bad(age 36) I eventually had to pray(ask) for it's removal, the pray was answered, and my life has been slowly changing ever since, I'm 62 now
I am sorry if any of my discussion gone wrong with you. But I am not going just now to venture my own theory. The seed is put in the ground, and earth and air and water are placed around it. Does the seed become the earth, or the air, or the water? No. It becomes a plant, it develops after the law of its own growth, assimilates the air, the earth, and the water, converts them into plant substance, and grows into a plant. Similar is the case with religion. The Christian is not to become a Hindu or a Buddhist, nor a Hindu or a Buddhist to become a Christian. But each must assimilate the spirit of the others and yet preserve his individuality and grow according to his own law of growth. If Religions has shown anything to the world it is this: It has proved to the world that holiness, purity and charity are not the exclusive possessions of any church in the world, and that every system has produced men and women of the most exalted character. In the face of this evidence, if anybody in the world dreams of the exclusive survival of his own religion and the destruction of the others, I pity him from the bottom of my heart, and point out to him that upon the banner of every religion will soon be written, in spite of resistance: "Help and not Fight," "Assimilation and not Destruction," "Harmony and Peace and not Dissension. Thank you so much Sir. I had a great time with you.
My understanding is Hinduism is a caste system of nine levels, from Brahma to Untouchable. Today in India there's 50 million Christians and I suspect they mostly come from the lower castes, for them Christ is actually their savior bringing them out of the karmic cycle, the same a Buddha did 500 years before Christ
Christians must always be ready for good criticism, and I hardly think that you will mind if I make a little criticism. But i have to. You Christians, who are so fond of sending out missionaries to save the soul of the heathen--why do Christians not try to save their bodies from starvation? In India, during the terrible famines, thousands died from hunger, yet you Christians did nothing. You erect churches all through India, but the crying evil in the East is not religion-- they have religion enough--but it is bread that the suffering millions of burning India cry out for with parched throats. They ask for bread, but given them stones. It is an insult to a starving people to offer them religion; it is an insult to a starving man to teach him metaphysics.
As I said Christ said "God has many mansions" and conversion from one to the other my only be by necessity. When things go wrong and your life is not working you can't turn a blind eye, you must seek out in some way for help. Not everyone has the internal faith to turn to but must turn to others, that's why there's religious institution and individuals who help/assist others.
My understanding there was an Organization in the 50 and 60's called CARE which was explicitly for India. From 1989-1991 I adopted through Christian orginization two children from India, a boy and a girl, I sent $23 a month for support and $2 more for their personal use. We also corresponded each month with each other, The boy wrote in English and the girl wrote in Hindu, translation was supplied.
I do know how Hindus are been converting in to Christianity. I know how India was, before British and after British. I know what Britishers(Christians) tried to collapse in India and failed but they are still trying very hard for it. I know why some millions dollars are been sent to India from US missionaries.
But we the INDIANS as Hindus still believe every religion as true.
INDIA has taught the world both tolerance and universal acceptance. I belong to a nation which has sheltered the persecuted and the refugees of all religions and all nations of the earth. I am proud to tell you that we have gathered in our bosom the purest remnant of the Israelites, who came to Southern India and took refuge with us in the very year in which their holy temple was shattered to pieces by Roman tyranny. I am proud to belong to the religion which has sheltered and is still fostering remnant Zoroastrian nation. Religion not the crying need of India.
I know the west has always used/abused other country for their own interest. Whether the British using India's opium fields to export to China, or US and their corporation forcing their will on other country to get what they want, oil, ore, diamonds, ect. It's so bad they lost there own way of living, That's why Gandi got his people to start weaving their own clothes again instead buying from England, same goes for salt.
Personal I believe what a county does has little or no reflection on it's supposed religion. We live in a hard cold world, the four horsemen of Revelation attest to that, plague, famine, war, death. These measure time for humanity and its the Christian hope that at "the end of time" they will be conquered/removed from life.
I believe that the quran is the true book and the words of God......... the prove that the Qur’an is the Word of Allah, you do not have to indulge into futile discussions or philosophical dialect. You have at your disposal a “living material evidence,” the Qur’an itself. Starting with the null hypothesis, i.e., assuming that the Qur’an is not the word of God, one should ask himself: could a human being in the seventh century write such a book? Or does there exist—up till today—any book that is claimed to match the Qur’an? However, it is true to say simply and shortly that the Holy Qur'an is a miracle with respect to its contents which is the source of all knowledge and science, as it says in the quran : " If the sea were ink (wherewith to write out) for the words of my Lord, the sea would surely be consumed before the words of my Lord are exhausted, though We were to bring the like of that (sea) to add thereto for its aid", (Sura Al-Kahf, No. 18, verse 109).
psychological belief is different from reality.
You know what is true when it matches reality but this doesn't necessarily mean reality can't change, this is known as a miracle. When a person is healed with not apparent reason or the course of humanity changes. I myself have experienced miracles but as yet waiting for the transformation in the twinkling of the eye. Life that transcends life is my hope and dream.
what is the ultimate purpose of religion. @KenLJW
My understanding from my religion is to become civilized within a civilization. My personal religion actually goes beyond this in that there's been many civilizations that were improper, to my mind, even though they lasted considerable time. My religion is that man will go beyond the biological, animal, and what I presently see it is not obtained yet even though people say they believe in "humanitarian values". The question is how do you teach these to the next generation if religion is not considered and children still must go through a biological period. My experience is what I wasn't taught as a child lead to many errors which hurt me and others. I don't know about you but I don't now mix religion with philosophy, which most religions today do, because children as well as adults need clear guidance in right and wrong. The scriptures I'm familiar with have many examples of things done wrong or right and there consequences, along with admonishments on proper behavior.
@KenLJW do you mean the purpose of religion is just to push human in to better civilization.
That's the ultimate hope of Christianity, the elimination of plague, famine, war, and death. Personally I think mankind has their way and God has his way. What will ultimately happen and where I don't know all I can do is trust Christ statement "All is possible with God".
You are assuming things that are not in your experience and working with that which you have assumed. by giving power to what you have assumed mind will just fly off into all types of imaginations and it will be more real than real. Imagination has big power. Thought is not a reality. Thought is just a signpost but it never takes you there that even reality cant help to realize the truth.
That's the ultimate hope of Christianity, the elimination of plague, famine, war, and death". I completely disagree with this statement. After reading the history's of INDIA, AFRICA, SYRIA, LIBIA and few other country's I understood how dangerous Christian country's are.
I'm making few assumptions, I've experienced miracles, at least things that are presently not known to man, and I know the power that's there. I guess the only assumptions I'm making is God is not nature, the physical universe, or mankind. If you have studied ancient societies prior to Christianity you'd realize the conflicts between cultures existed and I suspect that Hinduism came from somewhere west of India. It's origins I'm not sure dates back to 1500 BC in a period in which groups of lighter skin migrated there. As far as I know the caste system is physically represented from light skin to dark. In the Prophet' of the Old Testament God say's "All man is Ethiopian" which means all man are African. We know today that all mankind came out of Africa and we are all related as Christ said in parable of "The Good Samaritan". I don't know how the "West" confused these matters with their racist views but apparently even in India these distinction exist. I'm not sure how to answer your statement "Christianity is dangerous" except what I said before Governments and Religion are truly different. Consider WWII when supposedly Christian nations fought each other as they had so many times before. My personal experience and my educations tells me this is not a nice place, some what like Buddha, and I understand why some retreat from a world that attacks them physically and spiritually. The world wants their way and apparently does anything to try to get it, that's why I have to hold on to my faith.
Every human has his own assumptions, beliefs and considerations. Based on his own experiences and advertisements one beliefs it as true/false. putting castes, cultures and religions aside humans should gather on a single platform called peace. surely no religion worked better for this.
That is the Christian point of view, salvation and peace, regardless how else man may understand scriptures. Give a man no hope and he'll either commit suicide or do anything to survive. Of course these are the two real extremes I've observed in man. Most religion general teach acceptance which in itself brings peace but maybe not the best outcome. Life can be difficult but I've learned not to run away and like Gandhi I've learned not to lash out, but I know every action has consequences and sometimes there's salvation.