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Christos

  • 2 years ago

Limits, http://screencast.com/t/MeamUq9EgG8h I heard there is a rule about "powers" when it comes to limits like this in order to solve them? Can you tell me the rule please?

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  1. UnkleRhaukus
    • 2 years ago
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    Is this your question ?\[\large\lim_{x\to+\infty}\frac{3x+1}{2x-5}\]

  2. Christos
    • 2 years ago
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    yes

  3. zepdrix
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    Yes there is a nice little shortcut, which is what you must be referring to. I'm trying to think of how to explain it. Since it's an infinite limit, we only need to worry about the `leading` term (highest power on top and bottom). Compare them, if they're equal degree, the limit will approach the ratio of their coefficients. In this case, 3/2.

  4. UnkleRhaukus
    • 2 years ago
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    when \(x\to+\infty\), the ratio will ok like \(\frac{3x}{2x}\)

  5. Christos
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    you mean like 3/2 ??

  6. Christos
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    and when x->-inf -3/2 ?

  7. zepdrix
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    Both x's are approaching negative infinity, so you can think of the negatives cancelling each other out, giving us the same 3/2 as with before :)

  8. Christos
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    What about higher power at the denominator or the numerator separately

  9. Christos
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    @zepdrix ?

  10. zepdrix
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    It might help if you see an example and just think about it logically. \[\large \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}\frac{\color{green}{x^2-2x+3}}{\color{royalblue}{x-7}}\] The green part represents a parabola, while the blue part a line. Which one will grow towards infinity faster? A straight line or a parabola?

  11. Christos
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    1 ?

  12. zepdrix
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    what? XD lol

  13. Christos
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    uhm I think its the whole numerator? I am not sure :D

  14. zepdrix
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    noooo it's not :O See how the `power` on x is larger in the top? We can't apply the same rule we used before, since the highest powers of x `do not match`.

  15. zepdrix
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    |dw:1369665937413:dw|Which one of these functions is growing upwards faster? :O

  16. zepdrix
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    The curve or the straight line? :D

  17. Christos
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    numerator = denominator?

  18. Christos
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    Eeeh i mean that high one not the straight one the other one grows faster

  19. zepdrix
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    Yes good good, the curvy one grows faster.

  20. zepdrix
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    \[\large \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}\frac{\color{green}{x^2-2x+3}}{\color{royalblue}{x-7}}\]The `green` part is THAT type of function, the curvy one. So we can think of it this way, as the numerator and denominator approach infinity, the numerator is "winning", it's getting there faster. So the limit will approach infinity.

  21. zepdrix
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    That too confusing? :3 stick with the math rules?

  22. Christos
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    same applies for x->-inf ? and what about the denominator having the highest power?

  23. zepdrix
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    Let's look at the reverse a moment. \[\large \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}\frac{\color{royalblue}{x-7}}{\color{green}{x^2-2x+3}}\] Now the BOTTOM is a larger degree than the top. So the bottom is "winning", approaching infinity faster. So our limit will approach \(\large \dfrac{1}{\infty}\) which is the same as saying, it's approaching zero. The denominator is getting bigger and bigger faster than the top, so the fraction becomes smaller and smaller.

  24. Christos
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    thanks

  25. zepdrix
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    Negative infinity is a little trickier, since even powers will mess things up sometimes... I'm not sure how to explain that part properly :3

  26. Christos
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  27. reemii
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    Congrats!

  28. UnkleRhaukus
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    Well done @Christos ! \(\LARGE\mathcal{CONGRATULATIONS!!}\)

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