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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
\[\huge y= \frac{ e^{x} }{ 1+e^{x} }, x \epsilon [0,4]\]
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fozia Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
values maximum, minimum
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yes, how tho?
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
i find the derivative first and then what?
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fozia Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
first fint derivative that gives the result y'=ex/(1+ex)2 then eqaute it to zero gives ex=0
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
\[\huge y'=\frac{ e^x }{ (1+e^x) }\]
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fozia Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
take 2nd derivatv now put the value of x =0 in 2nd derivativ if relt is postv then its min otherwise max
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@fozia wait, you and I got different derivatives
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tcarroll010 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@fozia , you have correctly identified the first derivative, but it will never be equal to zero. Therefore, there is no need to take the second derivative. It is sufficient to just analyze the first derivative, realize that it is always positive, and that the original function is always increasing, so it has no extreme values.
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Abhishek619 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
check if the function is increasing or decreasing?
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tcarroll010 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Here's a graph to show you that it is always increasing
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
how do i check if its inc/dec?
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Abhishek619 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
its first derivative is always a positive, hence it is increasing for all [0.4]. the minimum value will be at x=0, maximu will be at x=4.
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tcarroll010 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Read my first post. That will tell you. That numerator of the first derivative is always positive. So is the denominator.
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tcarroll010 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
No extreme values for domain of all x. min and max though at the endpoints for the given problem domain.
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tcarroll010 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
That's because "e" is a positive base, so any exponent you put on it will result in a positive number.
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tcarroll010 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Do you see that fozia's derivative is correct? That's where you should start.
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tcarroll010 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Use the quotient rule to get the derivative. Do you need help with that?
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tcarroll010 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@burhan101 I have 2 pending questions posted for you here.
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@tcarroll010 im trying to figure out how that derivative is right
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
& yes i am using the quotient rule
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
\[\huge \frac{ (1+e^x)(e^x)(e^x)(e^x)}{ (1+e^x)^2 }\]
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tcarroll010 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[\frac{ (1 + e ^{x})e ^{x}  e ^{x}e ^{x} }{ (1 + e ^{x})^{2} } = \frac{ e ^{x} + e ^{2x}  e ^{2x} }{ (1 + e ^{x})^{2} }\]
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tcarroll010 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
In the numerator, you are left with only e^x and the denominator is the original denominator squared.
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ohhhh is see it
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tcarroll010 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So, there is no need to take the second derivative. It is sufficient to just analyze the first derivative, realize that it is always positive, and that the original function is always increasing, so it has no extreme values, if your domain is all x. But your domain is limited, so you have your min and max at the xvalue endpoints.
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
but dont i plug in 0 and 4 in f(x) ?
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tcarroll010 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So, min at: e^0 / (1 + e^0) max at: e^4 / (1 + e^4)
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tcarroll010 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
All good now, @burhan101 ?
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yes thanks !!
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tcarroll010 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
uw! Good luck in all of your studies and thx for the recognition! @burhan101
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
thank you very much, you do explain things very clear !
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tcarroll010 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I just like to help. Kind words on your part!
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
For this function \[\huge f(x)= 2\sin4x+3 ; [0, \pi]\] i get the derivative as \[\huge f'(x)=8\cos4x \] To find the extreme values, do i plug in the endpoints into f(x) ? @tcarroll010
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
YO BURHAANN MY BRO
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
are u done with this equation
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dannn:) ! no im not, do i plug the endpoints into the function ?
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
explain the meaning of an extreme value to me
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
an absolute mx or an absolute min
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so that means the slope there is 0
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
but u must check the end points too incase its just a local max or local min there
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
first solve f'(x) = 0
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
dw:1371749721969:dw
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
so i solve for x
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
okay lemme give u some simpler exmaples
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
dw:1371749857123:dw
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
what are the extreme values for a parabola
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
the vertex
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
okay and the slope there is?
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so that means the derivative there is?
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dw:1371749935529:dw
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
0/8 = 0dw:1371749995868:dw
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
0=cos4x?
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@bahrom7893 http://multiplayerchess.com/#!/5gqIqmm
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
hello bahrom jhanny wants us to play a game
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
what's the next step ..
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
1what values of x wud make cos4x=0 think about cos pi/2=0 so what much it be
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
ill give u one of the values that is in between 0 and pi cos(4(pi/8)) = 0 thats one
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
would i keep my calculator in degrees or radians?
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
heyy dont be silly u shud know this stuff!! we been doing trig of a while remember where cosx graph = 0
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burhan101 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dw:1371751462417:dw
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Loser66 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
@dan815 I don't know why everybody here ignores the ends of interval when they find out the max, min. My prof always asked us to consider those points, too.
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dan815 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
i told him to look at those points too :) but its not really needed in this case
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