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brinethery
 2 years ago
Solve the separable differential equation for y by making the substitution u=t+4y
dy/dt = (t+4y)^2
Oh yeah, and y(0) = 7
brinethery
 2 years ago
Solve the separable differential equation for y by making the substitution u=t+4y dy/dt = (t+4y)^2 Oh yeah, and y(0) = 7

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brinethery
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1This is what I thought the answer is, but it's wrong. If it helps at all, I believe this is a Bernoulli equation. :/

brinethery
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1Proof that I actually tried hehe...

Jhannybean
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0What if we expanded the RHS first?

brinethery
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1Try it... I am really unsure of what to do at this point.

FutureMathProfessor
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Expand and use integrating factor

brinethery
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1Perhaps my math teacher led me astray. I'll give int factor a shot

brinethery
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1I can't do it. I get stuck.

Jhannybean
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Lets see...Integrating factor is \(\large e^{\int p(t)y}\)\[\large \cfrac{dy}{dt} = t^2 +8yt+16y^2\]So you'll have \[\large \cfrac{dy}{dt} 8yt 16y^2 = t^2\]

brinethery
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1But will we ever be able to isolate y with this method? That's what I wonder.

AccessDenied
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1When you substitute: u=t+4y Could we not just take the derivative of both sides with respect to t: du/dt = 1 + 4 dy/dt and then solve for dy/dt in terms of du/dt to substitute as well? We then have: dy/dt = (t + 4y)^2 <==> 1/4(du/dt  1) = u^2 1/4 (du/dt  1) = u^2 du/dt  1 = 4u^2 du/dt = 4u^2 + 1 Because is that not in some sense a separable DE?

Jhannybean
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0I personally don't like the "du/dt 1". But thats just my opinion.

brinethery
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1So integrating factor would be e^(4t^2) for this, and then just solve?

brinethery
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1I think I am going to throw in the towel for tonight. Thank you all for your help anyway...

zepdrix
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2Try approaching the problem the way access suggested, it makes a lot more sense.

zepdrix
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2towel throwing time? :c aw

brinethery
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1Yes :). I slept 2 hours last night (just couldn't fall asleep). My brain's not working right. Thank you all again, I always appreciate math help.

zepdrix
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2\[\large u=t+4y\]Taking the derivative of both sides WRT y you get,\[\large \frac{du}{dy}=\frac{dt}{dy}+4\]"Dividing" through by dt/dy gives us,\[\large \frac{du}{dy}\cdot\frac{dy}{dt}=\color{orangered}{1}+4\frac{dy}{dt}\]OOoo Ok I think I see the mistake she made. Forgot the 1 up there, \[\large \frac{du}{dt}=\color{orangered}{1}+4\frac{dy}{dt}\]Which simplifies to,\[\large \frac{du}{dt}=1+4u^2\]

AccessDenied
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1I think the d/dy (t) simply was taken to be 0, more or less like a partial derivative. Since the work only shows the du/dy = 4 Otherwise, it seems the work would have likely been clean. :)

brinethery
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1I'll tell you what all: I'll ask my teacher in the morning how to approach this thing and I'll post the full solution tomorrow. Thank you all for your help.

AccessDenied
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1That sounds like a fair deal. I am thinking this way looks most promising right now... \( \displaystyle \frac{du}{dt} = 1 + 4u^2 \) \( \displaystyle \frac{1}{1 + 4u^2} \; du = 1 \; dt \) \( \displaystyle \int \frac{1}{1 + 4u^2} \; du = \int 1 \; dt \) \( \displaystyle \frac{1}{2} \tan^{1} \left(2u\right) = t + C \) \(u = t + 4y \) \( \displaystyle \frac{1}{2} \tan^{1} \left( 2(t + 4y)\right) = t + C \) I think that looks fairly reasonable. :P

Jhannybean
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0That looks much better.

brinethery
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1And accessdenied too :). Thanks everyone!

AccessDenied
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1You are welcome! Glad it was sorted out. :P

Jhannybean
 2 years ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0I like the way you worked ytour problem, @brinethery :)
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