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Emily778
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Solve the quadratic equation by completing the square.
x^212x+7=0
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Emily778 Group Title
Solve the quadratic equation by completing the square. x^212x+7=0
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
add 29 to both sides.
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
can you add 29 to both sides?
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Emily778 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
which sides?
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Both. \[x^212+7+29=0+29\]
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Emily778 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
and why 29?
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
To make the left side into perfect square because you have to have (6) (6) which equals 36.
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
x^2  12x + 7 = 0 x^2  12x = 7 x^2  12x + (12/2)^2 = (12/2)^2  7 x^2  12x + 36 = 36  7 (x  6)^2 = 29 Take square root of both sides to finish solving for x
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Emily778 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Oh. Okay. I still don't quite get it, but lets move on. What shall I do next? :D
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Emily778 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Uhh... which one is right?
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gorv Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
x^22*x*6+7=0 x^22*x*6+3636+7=0 (x^22*x*6+36)29=0 (x6)^229=0 (x6)^2=29 x6=29^1/2 x=(29)^1/2+6
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Emily778 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Are all of these right, just in different ways?
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
You add 36 to both sides, not 29
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
But 36  7 = 29
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@Hero, no you add 29, because that makes the left side into perfect square. @Emily778, I know what you are confused about, lets learn how to complete the square.
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Emily778 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I'll just do this x^2  12x + 7 = 0 x^2  12x = 7 x^2  12x + (12/2)^2 = (12/2)^2  7 x^2  12x + 36 = 36  7 (x  6)^2 = 29
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@SolomanZelman, if that's true, then explain how I got my result
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gorv Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
actually in (a+b)^2=a^2+b^2+2ab here 2ab is 12x=2*x*6 so u need to make b^2 that is 36
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I know exactly how the process works and what to add to both sides.
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@Emily778, do you get how I came up with 29? lets do a different example. GUYS PLEASE, LETS TEACH HER, NOT DO HER WORK> She needs to understand.
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gorv Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
@hero if u will add 29 both side than on x^212x+7+29=29 x^212x+36=29
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
She'll only understand if those teaching know what they are talking about
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
STOP ARGUING!
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
YES, add 29
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gorv Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
@hero plzz plzzzz plzzzz for god sake use little of ur mind
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@Emily778, do you get how I came up with 29? Do you want to learn how to complete the square?
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I think @Emily778 already has it figured out lol
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
MODERATOR, please don't ruin the thread, and confuse teh asker, lets teach her!
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Emily778 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@Hero What do I do after this? Or is it already done? x^2  12x + 7 = 0 x^2  12x = 7 x^2  12x + (12/2)^2 = (12/2)^2  7 x^2  12x + 36 = 36  7 (x  6)^2 = 29
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Sorry If I was offensive, @Hero .
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Finish solving for x @Emily778
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Take the square root of both sides
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Emily778 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Can you show me how? I am so confused:(
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@Emily778 PLEASE read this CAREFULLY. Do you know how to come up with the number that you have to add to both sides to ake the left side into a perfect square?
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
to make the left side...typo
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
dw:1384666594334:dw
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Emily, do you get it conceptually?
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Add 6 to both sides to finish solving for x
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Emily778 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
so, like this @Hero (x6)^2+6=29+6?
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@Emily778, please observe what I did above first
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I think you missed that last bit I posted in a drawing
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Emily778 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
oh, you have to square root first?
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Yes you can't do anything until you take the square root of both sides.
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@SolomonZelman, I assure you that we're supposed to add 36 to both sides. I wouldn't tell you anything wrong here.
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
If you don't believe me, I have ways of convincing you.
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
For one, I know you would never argue with WolframAlpha.
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Hero, how does 36 make the left side into a perfect square, it is \[x^2+12x+7=0\]
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Hang on, @SolomonZelman, WolframAlpha is undefeated.
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I meant\[x^212x+7=0\]
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Emily778 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
okay, so it's actually x6+6=+=sqrt29=6?
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Well yes it is then.
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nincompoop Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
omg don't argue with @Hero
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@Hero, I am sorry to say this, but you have to rvw over some staff.
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nincompoop Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
he is correct and I am telling you it
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Emily778 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@hero okay, so it's actually x6+6=+=sqrt29=6?
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nincompoop Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Do you guys know how to complete the square, you don't need any online calculator for this. Idk how to even tell you this. you help with hard staff that I have no clue about, and make a simple error, in completing a square.
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Don't tell me 1+1=4
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nincompoop Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I know I do not need a calculator and I know he is correct
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Notice that wolframalpha says to add 36 to both sides.
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
In this here link: http://tr.im/4klyc
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
maybe you put in 7, instead of +7.
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
OK, when you subtract 7, but you can just add 29, without subtracting 7.
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
See?
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Emily778 Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Thankyou! Is that it @Hero
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
There's only one correct way to do it @SolomonZelman. Wolframalpha shows the steps. Go review them.
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@Emily778, I think you have it but review your symbology for mistakes and check the link on WolframAlpha
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@Hero it wastes a step on subtracting 7 from both sides, you still get the same thing, \[x^212+36=29\] Do you see my point?
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Do you guys just argue, or actually READ MY REPLIES?
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nincompoop Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
solomon, study more before you question
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@nincompoop, you obviously didn't understand what i said.
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nincompoop Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
just study
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Do you understand what I said, I don't need to study, I am fine.
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@SolomonZelman, there's a difference between wasting steps and skipping steps.
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Skipping steps leads to confusion
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I am not saying the Wolframalpha is wrong, it just has a different way of showing... Yes, my bad, perhaps I skipped it, not wasted.... My teacher told me that both ways are valid, and to me that makes perfect sense. And YES, instead of arguing lets continue studying.
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I still think though, that emily didn't get it conceptually.
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nincompoop Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
she never does...
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
That was quite offensive.
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Yes, but some things can be figured out through selfstudy, observation and understanding. One thing is for sure. She surely won't get it if she is fed incorrect info.
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
True, and I was trying to ask emily if she figured out the first step(s) in completing the square.
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nincompoop Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
doubt it
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Yes, me too, that's why I kept on asking that.
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
By the way @SolomonZelman, I'm fully aware of your method of doing it. But I abandoned it after I realized that steps were being skipped. It is wrong for teachers to teach it that way.
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nincompoop Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
couldn't agree more
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Well, not that they taught me that, but didn't get any points off.
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nincompoop Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
it's cool can't teach someone about skipping when that person barely knows anything to begin with
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I don't really see the difference between subtracting seven at first or not. To me it makes perfect sense to do my way.
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I see your point though....
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nincompoop Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
1+1 = 4 though
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
And she still hasn't figure it out conceptually, just got the answer and left.
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@nincompoop, actually in biology that could be true, like when parents (or future parents) combine or whatever the word for that is... LIKE twins.
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nincompoop Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
it's called precision
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\(\huge {\color{green} {Yup,} }\) forgot the name for this, I learned that last year.
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nincompoop Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
anyway, good night
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
you too!
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\(\huge {\color{green} {H} }\)\(\huge {\color{blue} {a} }\)\(\huge {\color{red} {v} }\)\(\huge {\color{orange} {e} }\) \(\huge {\color{purple} {a} }\) \(\huge {\color{lightblue} {n} }\)\(\huge {\color{grey} {i} }\)\(\huge {\color{brown} {g} }\)\(\huge {\color{lightgreen} {h} }\)\(\huge {\color{yellow }{t} }\)\(\huge {\color{darkgreen } {!} }\)
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
The difference between the methods is, one is systematic, and the other is not. The nonsystematic method is an approach that some would refer to as improper methodology.
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[\(\huge {\color{green} {B^{Y^{E ^{!}}}} }\)\]
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Didn't delete the parenthesis....
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
The method I use can be generalized to this: You begin with x^2 + bx  c = 0 add c to both sides: x^2 + bx = c Then add (b/2)^2 to both sides: x^2 + bx + (b/2)^2 = (b/2)^2 + c
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
This is a systematic approach and you end up with (x + b/2)^2 = b^2/4 + c
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Well, then improper methodology just shows that the person who did the steps is SMART.
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Now let's see @SolomonZelman explain his method in a systematic, generalized manner.
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
I would just use an example similar to the one we solved just now.
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Examples are not generalized. And they don't show the systematic methodology.
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Hero Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Systematic methods have a better chance of being understood than nonsystematic methods.
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SolomonZelman Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
OK, I already said that I agree that to start teaching, systematic.... but not using it still shows that the solver is smarter.
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