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Decart Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
what do you have so far
 8 months ago

zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Angela, are you allowed to use a table for derivatives of inverse trig functions? If not, there is a way we can do this using a triangle, it just takes a few more steps than normal.
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angelarios Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
I honestly don't have a clue of wat to do :( @Decart @zepdrix
 8 months ago

zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Answer the question silly billy >:O Are you given access to a table of Inverse Trig Derivatives? :)
 8 months ago

angelarios Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
no I don't think so:) @zepdrix
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[\Large\bf y=arcsec 2x\qquad\qquad\to\qquad\qquad 2x=\sec y\]Understand what I did so far? I just rewrote the relationship so we don't have that inverse function anymore.
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angelarios Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
that's possible?? :o and yes I understand:)
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So what we want to do is some sneaky triangle math that you might remember back from Trig. \[\Large\bf \sec y\quad=\quad 2x\quad=\quad \frac{2x}{1}\quad=\quad \frac{hypotenuse}{adjacent}\]We want to draw this relationship on a triangle.
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
dw:1384737357099:dwUnderstand how we'll label this?
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angelarios Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
lol let me look at it a lil more xp
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angelarios Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
wait, does this apply if its f(x)=arc sec2x ??:) @zepdrix
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
You'll see how it connects later on D:
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angelarios Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
ok lol go on:) @zepdrix
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
dw:1384737660359:dwSo we'll label our sides according to our trig identity.
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
We can find the missing side using the Pythagorean Theorem, yes?
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
dw:1384737872951:dw
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So we've successfully setup a triangle that relates back to secant.
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
NOW let's take a derivative.\[\Large\bf \sec y\quad=\quad 2x\]Taking our derivative with respect to x, what do you get? :x
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angelarios Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
opposite side= sqrt of 4x^21 ?
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angelarios Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
2 ?? @zepdrix
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
2 ?? water you talking about? :u
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angelarios Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
the derivative ?? @zepdrix
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
that gives us the derivative of the `right side`, yes :) 2x turns into 2. What about the left side?
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angelarios Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
sec y tan y ??@zepdrix
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Mmm close!! Don't forget your chain rule! We're taking the derivative of a ything with respect to x. So the chain rule should also give us a y'
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[\Large \bf \sec y \tan y \cdot y'\quad=\quad 2\]
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angelarios Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
oooh! @zepdrix
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
\[\huge \bf \sec y \tan y \cdot \color{#DD4747 }{y'}\quad=\quad 2\]Remember what this y represented at the start of the problem? \(\Large y=\sec 2x\) So this y' here represents the derivative of sec2x, the thing we've been looking for all along! :O
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So we just need to isolate the pretty red y'
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
and write it in terms of x* which we can do using the triangle.
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So if we divide some stuff over:\[\Large \bf y'\quad=\quad \frac{2}{\sec y \tan y}\]Then we'll recall our identities to rewrite this as:\[\Large\bf y'\quad=\quad 2\cos y \cot y\]
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Then we use our triangle to get our final answer:\[\Large\bf y'\quad=\quad 2\frac{adjacent}{hypotenuse}\cdot \frac{adjacent}{opposite}\]
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angelarios Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
and that's it?? @zepdrix
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So when you plug those sides in you'll get a big ole mess that you want to simplify :o
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Err a little mess :)
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Plugging in the sides gives us: \[\Large\bf y'\quad=\quad 2\left(\frac{1}{2x}\right)\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{4x^21}}\right)\] Mmm something like that.
 8 months ago

zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
If that process was wayyyy confusing, maybe just use a table of derivatives for now:\[\Large\bf y=\sec x\qquad\qquad\to\qquad\qquad y'\quad=\quad \frac{1}{x \sqrt{x^21}}\]
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zepdrix Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Since we had 2x,\[\Large\bf y=\sec \color{#DD4747}{2x}\qquad\to\qquad y'\quad=\quad \frac{1}{\color{#DD4747}{2x} \sqrt{(\color{#DD4747}{2x})^21}}(\color{#DD4747}{2x})'\]
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angelarios Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
and just solve?? @zepdrix
 8 months ago
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