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Hey guys, I am looking for some help with calculus. It is in regard to rieman sums, and I would really appreciate any help understanding. I will post links below and explain further.
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RobertSn Group Title
Hey guys, I am looking for some help with calculus. It is in regard to rieman sums, and I would really appreciate any help understanding. I will post links below and explain further.
 8 months ago
 8 months ago

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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
The graph shown is y=x I just dont see how those steps were derived
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
And this is part of it also
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Is therom 5 something that must be memorized? Or is there any logic to it?
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kc_kennylau Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
dw:1388473083421:dw
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
What does k represent?
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kc_kennylau Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
k is from 1 to n, if you notice the summation sign in your first photo
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
But why is that over n the height?
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
And is the width 1/n just because we are taking it as n approaches infinity? so therefor 1/n is approach infinitely small?
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
@kc_kennylau ?
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kc_kennylau Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
yes, and sorry I'm not too familiarized in this topic... furthermore i'm busy :'(
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kc_kennylau Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
sorry :'(
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Thanks for the input anyways kc!
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Ok I can try drawing a picture for you and posting it. But first let's see if you can see the pattern first. so the very first number is a_1=(11)/n the next number is a_2=(21)/n=1/n <this is how for we are away from 0 or a_1 since a_1 is 0 a_3=(31)/n .... now going to the kth interval where we have the xvalue being a_k=(k1)/n ... going all the way to the nth interval we have a_n=(n1)/n because we are plugging in the left end point of that interval and not the right endpoint because we are doing leftendpoint rule we are taking all the left endpoints of all the n intervals beginning at 0
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Now to find the heights of the rectangles we do f(a_k)
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
By a_1 does that mean a/1?
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
dw:1388474479972:dw
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
a_1 usually means a subscript 1
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
the base of each rectangle is 1/n
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Alright, okay so f(k_n) would be f(k1/n)
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
and thats the height at any given k
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
you mean f(a_k)?
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
If so yes
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
but since this function is f(x)=x then f((k1)/n)=(k1)/n
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Alright I think it is starting to make sense, but when I try an example I still just dont exactly see it. Ill post if you could take a look,
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Ok, so looking at this example, can you tell me what puzzles you and I will see if I can explain it?
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Sure just a moment
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Well first of all, do we know that it is left hand because of the n1 on top of the sigma?
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
If that is so, for left handed questions like this can we always do (1/n)f(k/n)?
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So we just set that equal to the function that is given?
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
yep they started at 0 and when to n1 so left endpoint
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
And what does the k=xn really represent?
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
We are trying to find what f(x) is
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[\int\limits_{a}^{b}f(x) dx=\sum_{i=0}^{n1} \Delta x f(a+i \cdot \Delta x)\]
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
where delta x =(ba)/n
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Right, and Xi= a+ i deltax/n
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
the easiest thing to do is assume a equals 0 so we can just look at i*delta x
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Oh i see, and how about the 1?
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
well they chose the base to be 1/n which is delta x
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
if we have (b0)/n=1/n then b has to be?
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
now this is one way to do the problem you don't have to choose it this way and the integral will still have the same value and yes b=1 for this example
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
we can take this same problem and go a different way though
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
would you like to?
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Yes sure!
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
I still want to choose a to be 0 because yeah that is just plain easiest!
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
but with if we choose the intervals to have width 2/n instead of 1/n
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
then b would have to be what?
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
then b would be two
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
So are you also saying that you can choose some of the conventions, as long as they match up?
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
yes so but now we have \[\frac{2}{n} f(2 \cdot \frac{k}{n}) \text{ instead of } \frac{1}{n} f(\frac{k}{n}) \]
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
like are answer will look different but it will still hold the same value
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[\text{ so we want } \frac{2}{n} f(\frac{2k}{n})=\frac{1}{k+5n} \arctan(\frac{k+2n}{k+n})\]
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Solve for f(2k/n) by multiplying both sides by n/2
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
son/2 (k +5n)?
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[f(\frac{2k }{n})=\frac{n}{2k+10n} \arctan(\frac{k+2n}{k+n})\]
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Okay yea , and then how do you deal with the 2k/n?
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
Now we want to know what f(x) is right?
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
so what is k if 2k/n=x
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
basically solve that for k so we can figure out what to replace k with so that we will just have x inside and not that other crap
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Okay so we bring in an X ?
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
because we are trying to find out what integral notation looks like for this summation notation
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
looks good so we will replace all the k's we see with that
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
\[f(x)=\frac{n}{xn+10n}\arctan(\frac{\frac{xn}{2}+2n}{\frac{xn}{2}+n})\] \[f(x)=\frac{n(1)}{n(x+10)}\arctan(\frac{xn+4n}{xn+2n})=\frac{1}{x+10}\arctan(\frac{n(x+4)}{n(x+2)})\] \[f(x)=\frac{1}{x+10}\arctan(\frac{x+4}{x+2})\] so this is what our f(x) looks like from choosing a= 0 and b=2 there isn't a unique answer to your question the answer can totally vary
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate%281%2F%28x%2B10%29*arctan%28%28x%2B4%29%2F%28x%2B2%29%29%2C+x%3D0..2%29 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate%281%2F%28x%2B5%29*arctan%28%28x%2B2%29%2F%28x%2B1%29%29%2C+x%3D0..1%29 see the answers look different but hold the same value
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
basically you get to choose a and b
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
and nothing else
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Wow great. Thanks a lot for your help! Do you know the exact names of these types of problems? Im looking to find some practice problems
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
This is just some applications to the definition of reimann sums let me see if i can find you some problems one moment
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
http://freedom.mysdhc.org/teacher/1541derflingerk/documents/Calculus/FOV1001B4535/Integration%20via%20Sigma(2).pdf these don't look at hard but you can try these 4.3 912
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
they choose a and b for you
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RobertSn Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.1
Alright, thanks!
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
there c_i represents a+i*delta x by the way
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myininaya Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2
If you get bored of those attempt this one I made up: Write this as an integral: \[\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \sum_{i=0}^{n1} \frac{i}{i+8n} \cos(\frac{i+3n}{n})\]
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eliassaab Group TitleBest ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0
Try practicing on http://www.saab.org/calculus.cgi under Select What Kind Of Problems select Calculus I( Integrals(Substitution, FTC)
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