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messiahcollins

  • 10 months ago

Do you religious folks realize religion is #1 cause of death. Think of the christian crusades, Whats happening in the middle east. Christianity and Islam are so peaceful why do the kill to get one god known.

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  1. Zale101
    • 10 months ago
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    Religion is the cause of death? Well, I’m religious and I’m still alive, there are millions of people out there who are religious and are grateful for it. Correct me if I’m wrong, but are you arguing that Christianity and Islam aren’t peaceful religion because they are killing each other? If so, did you know that the Holly Quran forbids killing. Here’s what the Quran tells us about killing: “…whosoever killeth a human being… it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind…” There’s a Surah in the Quran titles “Al Kafurun,” meaning “the Unbelievers” Surah 109 “In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. Say: Oh you who turn away I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship what I worship. And I will not worship what you worship, Nor will you worship what I worship. Your way is yours, and my way is mine” The Sixth Commandment in the Bible "Thou shalt not kill" Also, another verse from the Quran that talks about killing: 5:33 “Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.” You know something my friend; Islam is misunderstood often by the un-Islamists because they haven’t come across learning about its history. If you’ve read the Quran, reading it by itself without knowing what historical events took place won’t assist you on interpreting the Quran on the right way. But in fact, you’ll interpret it the wrong way. Islam requires Muslims to use military force for necessary occasions to DEFEND themselves. Allah (SWT) doesn’t want his people to simply die because Allah (SWT) said killing is forbidden. The Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) went into several battles, and these were his very first 4 battles that he led. The Battle of Badr in Mar, 15 624 The Battle of Ohod in 625 The Battle of Medina in 627 The Battle of Mecca in 630 And most of the fights weren’t because forcing people to convert; it was all against the Meccan army who marched towards Medina to fight the Muslims. Read more about Quraysh and the Meccan army and how they tortured Muslims, forcing them to flee to Yemen.

  2. Zale101
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    “Think of the christian crusades, Whats happening in the middle east.” Was Jesus there during the wars of the Christian crusades? Invading, conquering, and killing innocent people for it are all mentally caused by the actions of greed which human beings can’t resist (they can resist it though) once they gain the full power to do so. Hmm, what is happening in the Middle East? There are several of different conflicts happening in the Middle and each conflict has its purpose. One war (which people consider it ‘Old News’ and I completely disagree with it) is the Arab-Israeli conflict. It’s really amusing if you come to think of it, these days’ people portray wars as ordinary nation conflicts which are far worse than wars followed during the medieval era and the renaissance. Keep in mind, Tanks, guns, and nuclear bombs are used in this war and largely against the Palestinians which is a thorough genocide. Wars that are happening in the modern days of Middle East are called the “Pro-democracy revolutions.” Started in Tunisia on 18 December 2010 and spread out to Egypt and eventually across the Middle Eastern states. Citizens are finally questioning themselves on “why is our nation is still on recession?” and “What has our president been doing the past 20-30 years?!” so, the citizens decide to protest while the regime are currently fighting back. These conflict purposes all goes to the Syria, Egypt, Tunis, Yemen and so forth. Also, the Pro-democracy revolutions have other conflicts, several conflicts includes: Sunni vs. Shia, Muslim brotherhood vs Al Qaeda, Muslim brotherhood vs. Military in Egypt In conclusion, you’ll find many troupes that use religion as a weapon to gain POWER and it’s a complete haram to use relgion that way in Islam. Most of them are fundamentalist who seeks for power. Some examples include the Taliban, al-Qaida, and the Ku Klux Klan. Those people are either misinterpreting their religion, or using it for greed Islam does believe in jihad, and hopefully we are not ashamed of it. Jihad is the Muslim’s modest way of entering war. Forbidden to kill children, women, elders, and even forbidden from harming nature. These information appears strange to you? Right? Honestly, this is the true Islamic warfare. Obama threats that he’ll cast a bomb in Syria if Assad stops killing his citizens. He doesn’t give concerns if whether the bomb will land on the innocent men, children, women, and the elders, or whether harming nature. The word “Islam” originated from the Arabic word “Salam” meaning Peace and submission to Allah (SWT). The word Salaam was perfectly used to title this religion because it has a variety of special beautiful harmonious meanings and because of that it is used as greetings to put a smile on people’s face. Islam is a religion that teaches law, love, modesty, science, sociology, and psychology and many other important concepts. Islam teaches peace. You know what a real challenge for religion? It’s the modern theoretical science Good day, brother :)

  3. Zale101
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    world leading causes of death ---> http://who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/ i do agree that religion have caused many deaths of innocent people, but illness/diseases/poverty is the #1 world caused death more than the people whom died on the hand of greedy people who use religion as a tool for power

  4. Zale101
    • 10 months ago
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    http://www.sahih-bukhari.com/ http://quran.com/

  5. Opcode
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    @Zale101 You write to much for me to read! (I'll read it though, eventually :-P) Do you religious folks realize religion is #1 cause of death. Think of the christian crusades, Whats happening in the middle east. Christianity and Islam are so peaceful why do the kill to get one god known. Let me just express this first: I am of no relation to a specific religion. Okay! As a historian I learned a lot about history, no duh :-P. History really revolves around human behaviour, most religions enforce the idea of, "treat others with kindness" because people fear god, that did what they were told we have a modern society that isn't barbaric! Do you want to know a world that didn't have religion first? Our basic instincts is individualism, (survival to ones self). Without religion you could say goodbye to mathematics and so many other things. "The laws of nature are but the mathematical thoughts of God." - Euclid Modern Geometry would be gone without Euclid, you can thank his religion for it. Let's derive what we know: Religion does not promote death. Religion promotes acceptable behaviour. Yes, religion has had wars but religion is part of modern science! It has save more lives than it has taken. Let us move into suicide. (Live with me, I'll explain below.) Suicide is a depressing subject as we all know, but no religion promotes it. In fact many religion say suicide will send you to hell. Look into the suicide rates via religion: Muslims: 1% (Of total estimated Muslims, data maybe off due to Islamic countries not reporting on suicides.) Christians: 4% (Of total estimated Christians.) Atheist (non-believers in the afterlife): 12% (Of total estimated Atheist.) Look back to these statistics: Does "religion is #1 cause of death" make much sense in this area? No. This is because religion is NOT the number one cause of death, illness are! Please excuse any spelling errors, I did not re-read what I wrote.

  6. Zale101
    • 10 months ago
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    Well done @opcode , precisely said. I love what you wrote! Oh, and i'm sorry about this lengthy response, i wrote it during my spare-time that's why i was willing to take a little time on it. @messiahcollins seems to have trouble on understanding the meaning of religion. I've seen him lately on this section criticizing religion in a conceitedly assertive manner.

  7. messiahcollins
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    do you guys not count the christian crusades

  8. messiahcollins
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    @Zale101 @Opocode

  9. messiahcollins
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    How can you defend the "Holy" Murders of the dark ages

  10. messiahcollins
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    The christian crusades

  11. Opcode
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    @messiahcollins Why do you let something like that effect you view on religion? Humans never will 100% follow the rules, thus there is repentance. Look at science and its taboos, there was a man who tried to clone fourteen girls. (It didn't end well, yet this didn't classify science as a harmful idea.) It was the mans fault, you can't blame science for one guys mistake. The Torah, Bible, Qur'an all preach the idea and action of mercy, yet people still make the silly mistake of not being kind.

  12. PsychologyClass
    • 10 months ago
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    your lying look at these passages in the koran that invoke violence 2:6 As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. 2:7 Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom. also look at this: 2:282 O ye who believe! When ye contract a debt for a fixed term, record it in writing. Let a scribe record it in writing between you (in terms of) equity. No scribe should refuse to write as Allah hath taught him, so let him write, and let him who incurreth the debt dictate, and let him observe his duty to Allah his Lord, and diminish naught thereof. But if he who oweth the debt is of low understanding, or weak, or unable himself to dictate, then let the guardian of his interests dictate in (terms of) equity. And call two witness from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women, of such as ye approve as witnesses, so that if one erreth (though forgetfulness) the other will remember. And the witnesses must not refuse when they are summoned. Be no averse to writing down (the contract) whether it be small or great, with (record of) the term thereof. That is more equitable in the sight of Allah and more sure for testimony, and the best way of avoiding doubt between you; save only in the case when it is actual merchandise which ye transfer among yourselves from hand to hand. In that case it is no sin for you if ye write it not. And have witnesses when ye sell to one another, and let no harm be done to scribe or witness. If ye do (harm to them) lo! it is a sin in you. Observe your duty to Allah. Allah is teaching you. And Allah is knower of all things. a women is half of a man? what's wrong with this religion? its cruel horrid and volient.

  13. messiahcollins
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    Religion promotes the idea that you don't need logic you need faith. Say you told your parents you were hungry and they said they would feed you. Then you said that well when will you. Then they say well you gotta have faith they will feed you but they never will. What would you think, Religion promotes the idea that if you have faith your going to eternal paradise.

  14. Opcode
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    Religion promotes that you don't need logic? Have you read the Torah, Qur'an, Bible at all? It states for you to follow rational, logical steps to come to a conclusion. I'm pretty sure the Qur'an actually mention to be merciful to others. (Which I interpret as rational, give justice where due, then again you may want to have someone else confirm that, as that is my opinion when reading the Qur'an.) The Bible states the same line as well. (The Torah, which I haven't read probably states the same thing as all three religions are nearly the same with few major differences.) Also your statement: "Say you told your parents you were hungry and they said they would feed you. Then you said that well when will you. Then they say well you gotta have faith they will feed you but they never will." Holds no logic, belief and faith do not promote that lack of logical analysis, if you wanted to say rationality sure religions can be irrational, but religion is not. (Confused? Great let me explain.) Some religions maybe bad, but religion the idea itself is \(NOT\) bad. In fact it was the spark for many reasons why we have math and science today. "Religion promotes the idea that if you have faith your going to eternal paradise." Which religion are you talking about here? Religion itself does NOT say this. Sure religions may say things like this, but it doesn't blind people. (Take the Qur'an, there is a surah, where it states as hard as you work in this life, will you be reworded in the afterlife.) You want something that is irrational and not logical? Then look at this world the existence of this world, not religion. Have you wondered why we have such complex mathematics? I see it as we are trying to learn god's thoughts. Then again I am a convicted theist. I'd like to talk about something, as you are an atheist, you probably know about Richard Dawkins who is radical atheist. I've read his books out of pure interest only to find major amounts of logical fallacy contained in them. You can't fight against the existence of god since it it impossible to prove or deny (not including axioms or mathematical induction.) So Dawkins likes to blow the Christian faith to ridiculous proportions. I am not Christian but I can sure say, it's blow open by Dawkins for the purpose of mocking it and making it appear absurd. Which I find is down right silly, at least he could try to be rational (though he states religion as irrational so he has a point there.) Finally I'd like to mention, Gödel's ontological proof. "God, by definition, is that for which no greater can be conceived. God exists in the understanding. If God exists in the understanding, we could imagine Him to be greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God must exist." So by logic it is impossible to deny the existence of god, though religion is on the different hand. @PsychologyClass Before you judge a religion, read the book of it, I have read the Qur'an and it does mention violence but only for one's own protection. Also your text is heavily mistranslated as I see it. I am not a Islamic scholar but maybe @Zale101 will be able to provide you insight there. Also, I really don't see how Islam could make a women's worth have of a man's value. As I have read it I am sure there is a surah that marks that heaven is at your mothers feet, so respect her. Not to mention it also tells men to not lust after women and to treat then with respect. Again I am not an Islamic scholar nor a Muslim women so I cannot comment there. tl;dr Religions are, for the most part, bad—but religion is not.

  15. Zale101
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    @PsychologyClass You’re not the only one who has been concerned about these thoughts of Islam. And I don’t blame you for that. People used to ask me about the cruel things people do in Middle East back in middle school and I used to give weak responses. Because I was never concerned of why Islam implements those ideas? Is it Islam or just the extremist’s opinions who are implementing them? Let’s start with How and Why Islam says that two women is worth a man, and why is this belief had made a big sexism in Middle East. You mentioned this phrase “A woman equal to half of that of a man.” Few words... Huh? Well, the sentence is short and you can interpret it in many different ways especially when there are few words. The way you and many people interpret it can also imply to that, I don’t blame you at all. Just by reading the phrase, “a woman equal to half of that of a man,” the first thing that comes to your mind is Sexism and injustice among genders. That’s what encourages sexism and segregations in the Middle East, and that’s what causes problems among family and spouses. And the problems you usually see when you first hear about Islam. People who miss interpret the true meaning of Islam; usually observe things in a negative matter. And it’s all because of one phrase… Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) said in a conversation with a woman. "I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious, sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked: "O Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said: "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said: "This is the deficiency of your intelligence"... "Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said: "This is the deficiency in your religion." (Bukhari, Sahih) Oh, so that’s where the phrase belonged to. And what did Mohammed respond about that? He said, “This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind." "… "Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said: "This is the deficiency in your religion." “deficiency” meaning lack. “Mind” meaning awareness, attention, reasoning, which are all located in the brain. Mohammed (pbuh) didn’t mean that women are dumb, no, women are more emotional than men was what he meant. Even though people might think women are emotional than men because of their famine roles they were forced to be in since their youthful days. Well, back in the historical days and till now, most women are more emotional than most men. I’m not saying that men can’t be emotional, yes they can, but in certain tough situations, most women tend to use feelings while most men use rationality.

  16. Zale101
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    Science has confirmed how the brain of a woman and man are wired differently. And I’ll have to give out a long lecture about this -.- but I’ll just shorten it for you. Anyways, I’m not saying that they study different materials, or a woman can’t solve a math problem while a man can. No. Anything that you practice or study it, you’ll understand it FOR SURE! Do we all agree that some body parts of a woman’s functions differently than the similar body parts of a man? That a woman gets her period every month? That during those days her actions gets more emotional or hasty than before? That a woman’s usually perceive situations in an emotional way while a man mostly perceives situations in a rational way? That a woman can get pregnant while a man can’t? That sometimes women get a pregnancy memory loss? (Anatomist and Physiologist researchers have suggested that) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8476824 A woman does have a double life, one side is her woman cycle which influences her personality and preference, the other side is her life aside from her period. So, from all these I listed above, can it effect a woman’s thoughts? Tell me what you think please. We are not dumb; there are certain occasions in our life that changes our thoughts and body into developing changes to our personality and body strength. Just because Mohammed said that a women’s mind is deficient does not mean we all should jump into conclusions and start thinking of how prejudice is viewed against women in religion when there’s morals and science behind it. Why not learn deeply about this topic and get in concern on why did a prophet believed that? A prophet who is believed to be the messenger of God. The dude who wrote Allah’s words in the miracle Holy Quran. Does that deserved to bring oddities on why monotheism was so powerful back then?

  17. Zale101
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    That’s why I chose to love both History and Science; those two are good combinations to study for religious meanings. If you’re confused about something (or in religion), science and history is there for you to grasp to find the solution.

  18. Elijah16
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    Dude, Christians aren't the ones killing people to believe in their God. Christians are the ones getting killed. We believe in people making their own decision to follow god or not because if we force people than they wouldn't really have a love for God which Is most important to Him than anything. If you have any questions about anything just read the bible and you'll have an answer to it.

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