## Opcode one year ago $\textbf{Could the Barnum effect explain what I think are my prayers answered?}$ I have been studying psychology and I recently learned about the Barnum effect, I think it applies to some of what people call miracles, what do you think? Do you think the Barnum effect could be how your prayers are answered? What do you normally pray for? Have you experienced a miracle? (Explain if you answered yes.) Have you prayed or asked god for something very specific and gotten what you asked or prayed for? (Explain if you answered yes.)

1. Orwell84

this is such a materialistic question.

2. Opcode

How so?

3. Orwell84

It all goes back to where Lucifer and his angels were cast out of heaven.

4. Opcode

Um, do you know what I am talking about? I'm suggesting that what people care miracles are actually an result of the Barnum effect. Can you refute my claim with evidence?

5. Jesstho.-.

I gave a bum 5 dollars and I found 20 dollars is that a miracle whip c;

6. Opcode

Did he pray for the 20 dollars though?

7. Orwell84

Yes you sewed 5 dollars and in return god gave you 20.

8. Jesstho.-.

lmfao, I think so @Opcode

9. Jesstho.-.

I didn't sew anything o-o

10. Orwell84

you Reap what you sew

11. linda3
12. Jesstho.-.

mmkay, I don't understand your talk so....idk what you mean by sewing o-o

13. Orwell84

you gave an offering and God reworded you

14. Opcode

Generally five dollars a homeless person wouldn't waste it on miracle whip though. With fiver dollars you can normally buy some food and an item of clothing. (If you are wise of-course.) Okay guys, please keep the question in its original topic. (You can find the format and answer the questions at the top.) @Orwell84 answer my questions.

15. Jesstho.-.

"reworded"

16. Jesstho.-.

o-o wut

17. Orwell84

rewarded*

18. Orwell84

Yeah opcode I never heard of the Barnum effect.

19. Jesstho.-.

20. Orwell84

I would have heard about it by now.

21. Opcode

22. Orwell84

Horoscopes?

23. linda3

When you pray for something and God answers your prayer it is a miracle. - there is no such thing as God only gives you limited amount of gifts, he loves you show much that he gave you his beloved son. He answers your prayers in away sometimes we don't seem to see it. Everyday you should recognize it's a miracle your still living. You can ask Him for things and if it's for the greater good he will give it to you. He loves you so much that he wants to make you happy.

24. Jesstho.-.

25. Orwell84

Bar·num ef·fect nounPSYCHOLOGY 1. the tendency to accept certain information as true, such as character assessments or horoscopes, even when the information is so vague as to be worthless.

26. Orwell84

There are no such thing as miracles

27. Jesstho.-.

Yes

28. Orwell84

An answer to prayer is not a miracle it is favor from God, and if you pray for something and it doesn't happen you were ether living in sin or what you had prayed for is not part of Gods plan in your life or in the world.

29. linda3

I would tend to disagree with you Orwell.

30. Jesstho.-.

same

31. linda3

I believe in miracles

32. Orwell84

Who Hated Jesus first?

33. Jesstho.-.

If their wasn't a such thing as miracle how do you think people get healed from cancer...

34. Jesstho.-.

miracles*

35. Jesstho.-.
36. linda3

we hated Jesus first.

37. Orwell84

The world

38. Opcode

$\small \text{I pray to god for me to find a penny} \implies \text{I found a penny, so god granted me a miracle.}$ $\small \text{I pray to god for me to become rich over night} \implies \text{I don't maybe because I was too specific.}$ What people pray for is normally common and when it happens they think they have been granted a miracle. I think the Barnum effect maybe a logical explanation for why people think they have been given a miracle. Barnum effect generally states that people believe things that they are told because what they are told is a generally and applies to nearly all people. Since we pray for general things, maybe we are being fooled by the Barnum effect.

39. Jesstho.-.

Tf are you talking about "the world" go back to school dude

40. Jesstho.-.
41. Squirrels

I like to believe that there is someone looking after us. Performing miracles, guarding us, and such. Religion is something nice to believe in, especially how they describe "paradise". But then there are people like @Orwell84 who try to prove other religions wrong like its some sort of competition. This is what is wrong with religion now. Their stupid pride. Remember that religion is based on faith, which is what i believe you are looking for. God works in mysterious way, so it may take a while for you to find what you are looking for, but im positive you will get an answer. Patience is key <3

42. linda3

:') thats my boy

43. Opcode

Guys, my questions where:  Do you think the Barnum effect could be how your prayers are answered? What do you normally pray for? Have you experienced a miracle? (Explain if you answered yes.) Have you prayed or asked god for something very specific and gotten what you asked or prayed for? (Explain if you answered yes.)  Can anyone answer them?

44. Jesstho.-.

Sure

45. Jesstho.-.

People usually pray for someone in their family that's dying or sick

46. Orwell84

Exactly that is the issue, people only pray to God when something in there life goes wrong.

47. Jesstho.-.

That's not true dude..

48. Squirrels

You know dang well what im trying to say orwell, stop being sarcasting.

49. Jesstho.-.

You can pray to live another day >.> Stahp acting like you know everything

50. Squirrels

Anyways @Opcode can you explain the Barnum effect to me? Or anyone?

51. Orwell84

I was not at all being sarcastic, it was a serious statement.

52. Jesstho.-.

it wasn't a statement..it was an assumption

53. Orwell84

It was absolutely not an assumption.

54. Squirrels

55. Jesstho.-.

it was... how do you know what people pray for

56. Opcode

@Squirrels Barnum effect isn't the direct question at had, but I think the general "same" thing is happing. Most prayers are asking for something simple and non-specific things. Could it be that what most people believe are miracles are simple generally things that they could do without prayer, but because they prayed they believe it is a miracle? Barnum effect applies to fortune telling, such you ask a fortune teller will it rain tomorrow since the question is general the fortune teller can pretend to use this knowledge of tomorrow's weather to "predict" your future.

57. Orwell84

When was the last time you prayed to God just to thank him for your life?

58. Opcode

Why should I? I never asked to be born.

59. Jesstho.-.

Recently, Why do you care

60. Orwell84

Because joy comes from thankfulness

61. Jesstho.-.

You need read the bible. Obviously you know nothing

62. Squirrels

But I agree with Orwell for once, when something wrong goes in your life. dont pray to god just for that reason. pray to him to thank him for your blessings. cause it just not right

63. Orwell84

Would you thank your parents for bringing you into the world?

64. Jesstho.-.

Nope, because I didn't ask to be here

65. Orwell84

So you are not grateful for your life?

66. Jesstho.-.

I didn't say I wasn't

67. Squirrels

68. Orwell84

Than who would you thank?

69. Squirrels

70. Jesstho.-.

I don't have to answer that question

71. Orwell84

No you don't

72. Jesstho.-.

It's obvious... everyone knows the answer to that

73. Orwell84

74. Jesstho.-.

You tell me

75. Squirrels

lol wat

76. Orwell84

God, you would thank God and he would bless you for your gratefulness.

77. Jesstho.-.

Yep, Exactly

78. Orwell84

and the blessing would be joy

79. Jesstho.-.

Mmmhm

80. Jesstho.-.

81. linda3

82. Orwell84

I didn't think you knew the answer.

83. Orwell84

84. Jesstho.-.

Well.. That's making assumptions.

85. Orwell84

I didn't assume

86. Jesstho.-.

87. Squirrels

Linda that was heart warming. <3 and Orwell stop being such a negative person. Being someone like that will get everyone to be against you such as now. Im assuming you dont care and thats fine, but later in life, if there is no one with you in the end, you'll know why. And as you read this you are probably thinking you dont need anyone but god. (just assuming) but i know god doesnt want you to treat someone like that

88. linda3

@Orwell84 then don't insult my religion. thank you.

89. Jesstho.-.

Exactly

90. Orwell84

I am not at all a negative person.

91. Jesstho.-.

Yes you are

92. Squirrels

Right now you are being more negative than anyone one here

93. Orwell84

Have we met somewhere before? Because I'm not sure I know any of you people.

94. Orwell84

How am I being negative?

95. Squirrels

well you certainly pop out of no where in the chatpod. "talking to us"

96. Jesstho.-.

^^^

97. Squirrels

and when linda tried to tell a story about her miracle, you told her "I'm not reading your entire life story linda."

98. Jesstho.-.

No one wasn't talking to you...when someone talks about religion you join in

99. Squirrels

Agreed

100. Orwell84

what?

101. Jesstho.-.

Only that subject though

102. Orwell84

I need to be invited into a conversation on an internet chat board?

103. Squirrels

no but you jumped in our conversation, did you not?

104. Jesstho.-.

No, but when someone talk about religion you join in and talk negative... No one wants to be around your immaturity

105. Orwell84

Yes and it was about homosexuality, it wasn't me that started the whole religious debate.

106. Orwell84

You calling me immature in that condescending way, it's really immature of you.

107. Squirrels

but you still jumped in our conversation about religion, no?

108. Jesstho.-.

You're very immature

109. Orwell84

110. Jesstho.-.

Linda was explaining something about her miracle then you rudely said "I'm not reading your intire life story, linda." She didn't say "Orwell read my life story" That's immature of you....

111. Jesstho.-.

entire*

112. linda3

@Orwell let me brighten you up on the many times you were being rudely negative towards me and my belief- Orwell84: Your entire doctrine was created by pagans who hated Christ. Orwell84: No linda, the Catholic church is where the people go to die. Orwell84: The Roman Catholic Church is deeply pagan. Orwell84: Linda you will be blind till the day you die. Orwell84: Vatican city is cult central and this isn't including hat you said about everyone else' religion. ~ if I may remind you that this is against the CoC of OpenStudy. Why don't you take the time to read it? - http://openstudy.com/code-of-conduct

113. Jesstho.-.

114. Squirrels

thank you linda, btw orwell that proves that you jumped in our conversation

115. Jesstho.-.

Exactly

116. Orwell84

I shouldn't have to keep defending myself but there 5 different people all asking me questions at one time.

117. Jesstho.-.

No one isn't asking you questions, we're making statements on how you're acting immature and being rude.. Well you're not acting I think you are immature and rude

118. Squirrels

Ok, answer my question first orwell

119. Squirrels

Im sure you know my question already, i wont repeat myself

120. Orwell84

"Linda you will be blind till the day you die." Was the only thing that I said which was negative, everything else was true. I expected someone to ask me about it in a rational manner.

121. Jesstho.-.

Not true,

122. Orwell84

And you religion destroys people's souls.

123. Squirrels

How exactly do you know thats true?

124. Squirrels

proof?

125. Jesstho.-.

wow

126. Orwell84

Because the Romans were pagans.

127. Squirrels

proof?

128. linda3

It isn't true! it's insulting my religion. And that there is very insulting towards me I would really appreciate it of you stop bashing on my religion.

129. linda3

The Catholic Church isn't Romans I thought you already said you knew that!

130. Jesstho.-.

He is full of lies

131. linda3

look I'm sorry but I'm done with this- @e.mccormick this isn't going out smoothly I think we can close this question- it is going off topic.

132. Squirrels

heres the thing orwell, instead of wasting my time, i going to say you have absolute no proof. i cant question your beliefs and neither can you. Because you have no idea if what you are saying is right. That is all based on faith. Faith is not proof. Even thought faith is something nice to have, you cannot question other peoples religion, only god.

133. Squirrels

Cant close it since no one has answered @Opcodes question :p

134. Orwell84

After Christ went to the cross many people left paganism to follow the teachings of Christ. After years of murdering and enslaving Christians Emperor Constantine decided instead to merge traditional spiritual beliefs with the teaching of Christ.

135. Orwell84

where is you're proof squirrels?

136. Orwell84

There is only one religion, and one way to live.

137. Orwell84

How many of you will allow you're doctor to put an RFID chip into your arm?

138. tHe_FiZiCx99

You're so wrong in so many ways. ^

139. Orwell84

Everyone has there own personal opinion, I get that, but when it is all said and done there is only one way.

140. Orwell84

And your spirit knows, the problem is many people would rather listen to there flesh.

141. linda3

142. tHe_FiZiCx99

Erm, nope.

143. Orwell84

Why?

144. Jesstho.-.

Are you done being a moron yet?

145. Orwell84

um ...

146. Orwell84

I am immature.

147. Jesstho.-.

Agreed

148. Squirrels

You see orwell, thats what im saying, i dont have proof, you dont have proof, no one has proof, except god and his disciples. you cant say there is only one religion you cant say @linda3 religions is false because you honestly have no idea, no "PROOF". THIS IS ALL BASED ON FAITH, QUIT ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW FOR A FACT AS IF YOU SEEN THE CRUCIFIXION OF CHRIST, LIKE YOU KNOW HIM PERSONALLY, ya dig?

149. Jesstho.-.

true....very true

150. tHe_FiZiCx99

Op ;) I $$\ might$$ tell you a secwet later :>

151. Orwell84

I do have proof it's only, I would have to wright a book. I can say all kinds of stuff but truthfully if you read the bible and especially open your eyes to how very bod the world is going down hill anyone could understand, and it's easy to just look.

152. Orwell84

And there really is only one religion.

153. Jesstho.-.

Are you finished yet

154. Squirrels

Who is the author of the bible?

155. tHe_FiZiCx99

No there isn't. Proof being I don't believe in any.

156. Orwell84

God

157. Orwell84

Through man

158. Squirrels

ok, has anyone seen god in this world?

159. Orwell84

Men of God.

160. Orwell84

People that really served him according to the scripture.

161. Squirrels

or atleast is there any evidence

162. Orwell84

No man has ever seen God.

163. Squirrels

exactly

164. linda3

do you mean to say Jesus' disciples?

165. Squirrels

its faith brother

166. Orwell84

But that is not the point squirrels

167. Squirrels

168. Squirrels

that is the point

169. Orwell84

There are many thing you are not talking into account which you don't even know exist.

170. Orwell84

taking*

171. Jesstho.-.

learn how to spell you jerk

172. Squirrels

like?

173. Orwell84

Jess if you don't like it you can leave this board.

174. Orwell84

The occult

175. Jesstho.-.

You could do the same. But you decided to stay and argue

176. Orwell84

The power behind international centralized banking.

177. linda3

okay goodnight folks. Squirrels is my new best friend- Jess she always has been my best bud. and @Orwell84 May God bless you all the days of your life.

178. Orwell84

Corporatism

179. Squirrels

and what is that called when you complete trust or confidence in someone or something

180. Squirrels

goodnight linda <3

181. Orwell84

Understanding

182. Jesstho.-.

Goodnight, Linda. Sleep well. <3

183. Squirrels

its called faith you fool

184. linda3

And you can't be a Christian and believe and participate in Occult, they are complete opposites.

185. Squirrels

faith = no evidence

186. Jesstho.-.

o-o

187. Jesstho.-.

agreed

188. Orwell84

The pope worship Lucifer directly as God.

189. linda3

it's called Faith.

190. Squirrels

omg this guy

191. Jesstho.-.

ikr

192. Squirrels

where does he get such information?

193. linda3

Okay that is insulting!!!! The pope did not worship Lucifer.

194. Jesstho.-.

His parents might be telling him the wrong info

195. Orwell84

In a house of God do you really think the all might creator of all the universe would allow his people to molest a child?

196. Jesstho.-.

people have their own minds sicko

197. Orwell84

All of the popes worshiped all kinds of Gods

198. Squirrels

where did you hear this orwell

199. Orwell84
200. linda3

What in the world? Do you really think you are not a sinner? Aren't we all sinners? - and that is not true @Orwell84 you can't believe everything you find on the internet! gosh!!! your making me upset.

201. Squirrels

^^

202. Orwell84

What you just said makes not point to mine.

203. Orwell84

@ linda

204. Jesstho.-.

fail

205. Orwell84

no* point to mine

206. linda3

Just b/c one catholic sins does not mean The whole Catholic Church is bad.

207. Squirrels

she said dont believe everything on the internet as well

208. Orwell84

If you are a follower of Christ you would rather cut out your own eyes than look lustfully at a child.

209. Squirrels

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

210. Orwell84

If the spirit of the lord is in you your spirit is repulsed by even the thought of sin.

211. Opcode

This thread does not stay consistent on the main topic nor answers any of the ideas I posted. Please $$\textbf{do not reply}$$ to this thread as it is now $$\textbf{closed}.$$

212. Squirrels

does that bring back any memories into your thick skull?

213. Squirrels

ok opcode, have a good day

214. Orwell84

I never said I am sinless, my point was if you have the spirit of Jesus in you you are not going to molest a child that is as black a thought as the devil himself.

215. linda3

@orwell we are all not perfect it is satin that does this. And sin does not difined who we are nor neither does it defined My Catholic Church. Tell me @orwell when was the last time you've sinned? And after you answered that question to yourself- why did you not cut out your own eye? Now knowing that does that sin define you- no it doesn't.

216. Squirrels

that quote was directly to the pope orwell

217. linda3

thank you @Opcode

218. Jesstho.-.

219. Squirrels

^GOOD NIGHT !

220. Orwell84

Yes it is satan that provokes us to sin, but satan is defeated, at the cross.

221. Orwell84

All power is now in Christ and everything must flee from anything of the lord.

222. Orwell84

jesus christ

223. Opcode