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I never met a Muslim before but from the research I didn't know believed in Allah I thought that Muslims believed in the messiah - jesus same thing. But im not judging anyone im just praying for them (: but I don't dislike Muslims I just dislike the God or Gods they bow down to. But your the nicest Muslim I came encounter with on here.
@KAKES1967 It's nice to see different people of different religions get along so well. This rarely happens with me. The things that we believe in shouldn't effect the way we get along. You are the second Non-Muslim in all my life who ever accepted me to who I am; the others would argue, scream, and shout like I'm some kind of monster. I'm glad they're not all like that. Once a girl just randomly shouted in my face," I hate you! You killed my mom!" And of course, I, as the girl who never thought of hurting ANYONE, was thinking, what in the world of god is she saying. At the point, she just got on her knees and started crying. That's when I remembered: The 9/11 which took place years ago, and I had nothing to do with the terrorism, but I am Muslim and so are the terrorist. How come is it that when a single Muslim commits a crime, it is Islam that is found guilty? And when a single Jewish man commits a crime, he is the only man found guilty. It makes no sense! There's a lot more to it, but overall, this generation has been ruined. I'm glad you weren't mind-washed into thinking like some others. I am very happy that we are both here today sharing our thoughts with eager smiles on our faces. Thank you Kailin for helping me understand a bit more about the thoughts people are thinking towards us, Muslims; Thank you.
I literally cried when i read this. I could never hate someone for what someone else did. I wish we were friends in life. You seem like a special person and I bet you are. (:
@KAKES1967 I do too.
I was once told a story of a professor telling the class that God doesn't exist, a student got up and punched him and said God told me to do it. The principlle tha God only acts through people is the source of all problems because the truth is you only see the person supposedly doing Gods will and not God. The question is do people really know what it means to be human which may include certain connections between them that they call god. Man is just beginning to understand themselves and how they influence others with words, actions and thoughts. As it say's in the Old Testement God will conquer with spirit not with power and might as Governments and terrorist do. Remember there's a difference between God's law and Man's law and the final judgement is under God's law and mercy regardless what man thinks, therefore you may have to represent as a individual your own understanding of God, peace
"How come is it that when a single Muslim commits a crime, it is Islam that is found guilty? And when a single Jewish man commits a crime, he is the only man found guilty." You are wrong, if a crime is anyway tied to a religion it haunts the religion, whether truly inspired by the religion or not. The Christians are still punished because of Hitler, it is not uncommon to find rhetoric against Christianity noting Hitler's relationship to it. However idea is that religion being the blame for what the media usually propagates is wrong. Most crimes are from a political forefront using religion as a cover. For instance Osama bin Laden was never truly religious in the being, he used Islam to gain more supports. (Ergo it was a façade.) Usually I do not make a mass stereotype to a group, so I will not. I know good Muslims, and I know bad Muslims. The majority I am okay with, however there are a few that I take dislike to, but that is irrelevant to the group. As it is not due to their religion, but their actions which are usually abhorrent that come without any religious base. Also your first post in this thread is a logical fallacy called argumentum ad passiones.
Well, just for the record... There is no Jewish ISIS. You wonder why a Jew commits a crime and only he is held liable for it, because he is the only one who did it. There's no group of Jewish terrorists present in the world. If anything, they're the number one victims of predominately Muslim hate crimes. In the Middle East, Jews and Christians alike are being slaughtered for their faith by Muslim terrorist groups. It's written in the Quran in numerous places to kill the unbelievers where you may find them, so it's also no wonder why so many extremists come from the religion. @Algorithmic , Hitler was an occultist, regardless of how he liked to falsely flash "his" religion around. If he truly had the spirit of God in him, I can guarantee you the Holocaust would not have happened under his jurisdiction.
@_Squish ignorance is never a justification to lie. My main disagreement with your comment is the sentence, "There's no group of Jewish terrorists present in the world." Yes, it seems to be true what you say. That there are not Jewish terrorists, but that is if you only listen to main stream media. When approached with the facts terrorists can come from any background, and there have been Jewish terrorists. In fact there are Jewish terrorists. For instance did you know in December 2001 Irving David Rubin, and Earl Leslie Krugel, members of the extremist Jewish Defence League, were arrested as they were in the final stages of planning attacks against the King Fahd Mosque?\(^1\) Now that my main issue with your comment is over I would like to break something down into tangible parts. You say, “in the Middle East, Jews and Christians alike are being slaughtered for their faith by Muslim terrorist groups. It's written in the Quran in numerous places to kill the unbelievers where you may find them, so it's also no wonder why so many extremists come from the religion.” First you have to understand the first sentence you put forth is highly subjective. Jews, and Christians I know from the Middle East do not find fault with the Muslims, but politically charged groups that use religion as their front. Most comment that nationalism is the cause of why people die there not their faith. They say that Muslims in the Middle East also get killed, for their disagreement of the warped political group. Your second sentence really is amusing, as while yes there are some mentions in the Qur'an that refer to violence, there are more that refer to compassion, and peace. Most Muslims, including the extremely devout ones know that the verses that refer to violence have context, and do not apply to everyday situations. The small 0.13% (cannot remember if that is the correct percentage, sorry) that do not follow this mindset is usually because of political factors not because they truly view their religion to be as such. Sources: \(^1\) https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terror/terrorism-2000-2001
@Algorithmic To say there is no issue with the Muslims, Christians and Jews in the Middle East would be a blatant lie. There are numerous articles depicting the gruesome pillaging of predominately Christian villages, a few being reported by people on YouTube. I've taken it upon myself to direct you to a few posts just in case you think I'm making things up. * Regarding the Quran and what is written: I have puled this sentence from one of my sources: "In 1991, a Palestinian couple in America was convicted of stabbing their daughter to death for being too Westernized. A family friend came to their defense, excoriating the jury for not understanding the 'culture', claiming that the father was merely following 'the religion' and saying that the couple had to 'discipline their daughter or lose respect.' " That being said as an example, why say the Muslims are not the ones over there in the Middle East killing like their book tells them to? I see no "compassion" here. There are at least 109 verses in the Quran that make reference to violence, and you're expecting me to believe that's .13% ? Irony - I'M supposed to be the amusing one here. "The Quran's Verses of Violence." The Quran's Verses of Violence. The Religion of Peace, n.d. Web. 06 July 2015.
Lauder, Ronald S. "Who Will Stand Up for the Christians?" The New York Times. The New York Times, 19 Aug. 2014. Web. 06 July 2015. .
Seymour, Julia A. "WORLD | ISIS Threatens Jerusalem's Christians, Stirs up Extremism in Gaza | Julia A. Seymour | July 6, 2015." WORLD. WORLD, 06 July 2015. Web. 06 July 2015. .
Your sources a bid daft, they are mere op-ed pieces of news. (Excluding one which is just plain wrong, due to bias, and the Islamophobia found within it.) Now to mention the people you picked for your sources are non-academics which are highly conservative and or try to promote their own agenda. (Meanwhile the one I gave, is to a certain trust of neutral.) 1. Seymour, Julia A. (Public conservative Christian, biased for an agenda.) 2. Lauder, Ronald S. (Republican who promotes Israel, and Jewish ideology above all else, biased for an agenda.) "To say there is no issue with the Muslims, Christians and Jews in the Middle East would be a blatant lie." I said most, not all. The majority say warped nationalism, and or political motives is the cause of turmoil in their countries in the Middle East. (This being from primary sources so I cannot cite it.) "Palestinian couple in America was convicted of stabbing their daughter to death for being too Westernized." You do realise under Islamic sharia (the laws of which Muslims live their life) that is haram (forbidden) for them to do. Take for example the a car accident in which a Muslim driver was intoxicated with alcohol, and hit two children. Is the driver's religion of the cause to blame? No, because Islam mandates that Muslim not drink intoxicants. The violent verses if you could cite some are usually defined by the mass Muslim population to be read with context. It is not the nature to be aggressive in Islam against non-Muslims.
@KAKES1967 Muslim BELIEVE IN MESSIAH- Jesus (THE SON OF MARRY) because he was the prophet of Allah and teach people about Islam (not Christianity) and he was born with out father. And was given the book Bible. But after 120-150 he disappeared from earth (he was not died). the six bishop came together from around the world to make some changes in Bible and to remove the name of Ahmed from Bible. And 2 of them say it is aholy book and there should be no change in it so they were killed. And 30 year later they give the name to religion as Christianity.
I must commend @Algorithmic for explaining so much to @_Squish. Thank you @mutayyababidmughal for explaining about how we view Christianity. I think @_Squish can learn a lot from this. I heard that we usually listen with the intent to respond not to understand. Squish, please listen to understand and it will do you well in the future.
No Jewish terrorists? LOL are you kidding me? In the US for example, you're more likely to be a victim of Jewish extremism, than Muslim extremism (7% vs. 6% according to a 25 year study conducted by the FBI [1980-2005]). There are tons of extremist Jewish, and Christian groups world-wide. Don't let the MSM fool you. FYI, Muslims are the biggest victim of ISIS. ISIS has killed far more Muslims, than any other group. And not to mention, practically only groups that are actually fighting against ISIS, are primary Muslim (E.g. the KURDS!). Please, take your spoon-fed, one sided propaganda elsewhere @_squish The only time Muslims are allowed to go to go to war, is in self-defense. Killing innocent noncombatants, is a great sin in Islam (e.g. 60:8; 5:32;etc). Take the time and actually read the Quran, within context. What's so funny, is verses like 9:5 that are so often cited to support the notion that the Quran calls for the death of innocents, is that, within the same passage, it explains the context.... I guess people somehow don't know how to read information that goes against their agenda... "That being said as an example, why say the Muslims are not the ones over there in the Middle East killing like their book tells them to? I see no "compassion" here. There are at least 109 verses in the Quran that make reference to violence, and you're expecting me to believe that's .13% ? Irony - I'M supposed to be the amusing one here." Have you actually read the verses, in context, in Arabic? The Quran isn't peaceful by any means, but it is "just", and this is coming from an agnostic. You cannot be a pacifist in this world, and thus violence is more than justifiable, and even recommended or commanded, when violence comes for you. But no, Muslims are never commanded to commit unjust violence, or to initiate it.
Whether violence is ever justified, is the true point of Christ which is no. If one has to exist by copying the evils of this world then why exist all, your just perpetuating what is. Its like the survivalist of today who prepare for some doom, why survive so you can do the same thing over again. I prefer not to exist than fighting my entire life to survive, you can not fight evil witrh evil.
@_Squish Well, no! You don't even know the full verse so you can't just assume that! Not until you read the verse completely and understand it from the bottom of your heart do I expect you to come back here and argue! In fact, the sources you gave are against because they stand with Islam!
This is a question that begs one to be bigot. It like asking what do you think of Blacks, Whites, Asias, ect they are all human and have their own uniqueness. I know Religions might be different than this, but still the character created within a religion in part depends on the individual and their experience and of course their understanding of their religion. To say their all alike actually denies the one truth about God which is freewill and varity in life. This works when you respect one and another and let God be the final Judge.
Cah this be closed is this is turning into a fruitless discussion sadly.