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 one year ago
Here's a fun question I found that has a simple fun answer, try it out.
\(\bar x\) is an eigenvector with corresponding eigenvalue\(\lambda\) of the matrix product AB where A and B are both invertible matrices:
$$AB \bar x = \lambda \bar x$$
Show that \(\lambda\) is an eigenvalue of the matrix BA
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 one year ago
Here's a fun question I found that has a simple fun answer, try it out. \(\bar x\) is an eigenvector with corresponding eigenvalue\(\lambda\) of the matrix product AB where A and B are both invertible matrices: $$AB \bar x = \lambda \bar x$$ Show that \(\lambda\) is an eigenvalue of the matrix BA

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UsukiDoll
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0both invertible matrices.. like nonsingular...as in there's an inverse.

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5Essentially, we have to show that BAx = lambda x

UsukiDoll
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0O_O the Latex just exploded.

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5\[(AB)^{1} \space \space = B ^{1} \space \space A ^{1}\]

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5I know it will be a trick with the order of multiplication. And I just realized that x doesn't need to be an eigenvector of BA, just the eigenvalue has to be the same...

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5Take y = Bx so y is just an intermediate vector variable So let's rewrite the ABx = lam x with y

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5dw:1434863967669:dw

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5Now multiply both side by B. And this is the part that you have to know the commutative property well. Can you multiply these for me? :)

UsukiDoll
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0BAy =(lambda)xB ? like that?

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5When you multiply matrices, you know that AB and BA will not always be equal.So that means it matters which side you multiply by. So if you multiply from the LEFT side... you have to keep B on the left.

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5\(\color{blue}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @UsukiDoll BAy =(lambda)xB ? like that? \(\color{blue}{\text{End of Quote}}\) When you first multiply by B, yes. But it has to stay left of 'x' So B lambda x And then because lambda is a constant, that how you can justify it moving it in front of B.

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5So you get lambda B x but now, you cannot switch B and x they will stay as Bx

UsukiDoll
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0oh.. ok so it is BAy=(lambda)Bx

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5the lambda is moved in front because it's a constant, so the matrix laws don't bother it

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5Now, remember how this started with saying "y = Bx"? So now on the right side, replace the Bx with y

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5So by definition, lambda is an eigenvector of BA with eigenvector y

UsukiDoll
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0:O neat... it's like we started from the left side of the equation and then use theorems and definitions to try and get to the right side of the equation.

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5It kinda relies on making that correct substitution at the beginning. A lot of these proofs are fairly simple once you get them

UsukiDoll
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0somehow I understand doing proofs more in small groups rather than by myself T_____T!!!!!

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5Yep. There is actually a different way to prove it using the definition 0=(A  lambda I) I can quickly show you if you'd like

UsukiDoll
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0except Elementary Number Theory... I can do the proofs on my own because the theorems are easy to understand

Empty
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Yeah the substitution Bx=y was exactly what I was looking for, fun. =P I wouldn't mind watching or playing around with whatever you two want to continue showing or expanding upon.

UsukiDoll
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0< still a noob at proofs, but at least tries X_x

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5LOL usuki, you're more clever than me, I assure you! (;

Empty
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Idk, Mira you're pretty clever, also nice to see you back, it's been a while. =P

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5It sure has, bud! Anyhoo another way using the formula for solving for eigenvalue rather than the definition of the eigenvector is:dw:1434865293339:dw That's the equation you solve to get eigenvalues. So now multiple by (AB) inverse on the right

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5dw:1434865385356:dw So now with the property of inverses from the very beginning, if we open the bracket, they will switch places

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5and I can be ditched because it's just the identity matrix dw:1434865599306:dw So what we need at the end is 0 = BA  lambda I

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5So here, because we have the B and the A inverses written without any other vectors what you want to do is multiply by B on the LEFT and by A on the RIGHT dw:1434865665195:dw

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5dw:1434865717135:dw

Miracrown
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.5This looks better when it's done in several steps, but writing on the board is a little annoying..=/. So yes, the inverses go away and you are left with the BA But the trick is to get the order right :)
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