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1. pooja195

You know the best best way to earn medals is by helping people? Oh not to forget medals mean nothing. They are only there to make you feel achieved after helping someine but guess what really counts? The help.

2. Koikkara

Did OS notice that Friends are creating Temporary accounts to solve Homework ? Why no Action Is taken against them ? @pooja195

3. pooja195

I do not know what you mean but if you see that there is a problem you can always report it or pm a mod.

4. Koikkara

@Abhisar Opinions appreciated.

5. Koikkara

@pooja195 Why not check out Biology session> you can find numerous accounts in closed question as well as open questions. Can this help Student learn and respect OS?

6. pooja195

What does this have to do with a medal market???

7. Abhisar

@Koikkara Please clarify your Point

8. pooja195

As for multiple accounts how do you know that its them? You aren't a mod, nor can you ip check ._.

9. Koikkara

@Abhisar Sure, Look in here, what user says.... Does This Action Appreciated By OS ?

10. pooja195

That is one scenario. How do you know they didn't pick up what you taught them?

11. pooja195

You aren't their brain. :P

12. Abhisar

No it is definitely not acceptable. But the user seems new to me. They might not know the rules. But anyway, the point is whenever you see this happening or any other breech in the CoC/TaC, kindly report it to mods. It's well written in the CoC that any form of medal gaming is not accepted.

13. Koikkara

$$I~found~another~interesting~fact$$ If you use Firefox and Chrome together, you can use both at the same time with different accounts, making $$\small\rm\color{red}{OS~ a~ fool~!}$$ to identify the Medal Game. $$\small\rm\color{Blue}{Browser~Game~!}$$ Create one account post question, from Firefox : Write Answer from Chrome with another account, make one more account through another browser and tag medals.. Is what happening Here... !! @Compassionate @ganeshie8 @thomaster @Abhisar >> $$Great~Game,~Isn't~it~?$$

14. Abhisar

But your IP will be the same and Mods can check IP

15. Abhisar

I am not getting the point of this whole post.

16. pooja195

I thought u wanted to suggest a medal market

17. Abhisar

Kindly explain the agenda of this post :)

18. pooja195

While your at it, suggest a way the fix the problem. Everyone knows that it is already happening.

19. Koikkara

@pooja195 Simple, we need to set up IP filter for OS to stop spamming with Use-n-Throw accounts. through which OS should let access to the site only from a single IP address per user., regarding place and location. $$Does~that~help~?$$

20. pooja195

No matter what they do, theres always a way around it.

21. iGreen

Yeah, "incognito" allows users to create new accounts regardless of an "ip ban"

22. Abhisar

That's not possible @Koikkara , Many genuine accounts are origined from same IP

23. pooja195

You're best bet is just to report/pm a mid. Although this is a problem theres not much openstudy itself can do to stop it.

24. Abhisar

Suppose, what if there are more than one siblings in a house? They must be using different accounts.

25. pooja195

*mod

26. Abhisar

$$\color{blue}{\text{Originally Posted by}}$$ @iGreen Yeah, "incognito" allows users to create new accounts regardless of an "ip ban" $$\color{blue}{\text{End of Quote}}$$ Going Icognito doesn't masks your IP

27. iGreen

I know, but my IP is "banned" from creating new accounts..I can create new one's using "incognito".

28. Koikkara

@pooja195 Well, according to indian time right at 01:00Am, users will appear on OS with multiple accounts.

29. pooja195

Do you keep a log of this?

30. Koikkara

@iGreen Ofcourse, i understand that as I experimented To login OS with softwares, it works... Well, Can there be any other option to stop or reduce such actions ?

31. Koikkara

@pooja195 Ofcourse, and so you found one in the attached file.

32. pooja195

Is it really that hard to just report it and move on? Medals aren't money nor do they have a value of any kind if people wanna do it let them do it , they are only hurting themselves.If/when you see it the report it.

33. iGreen

I don't know, that's beyond my understanding.

34. pooja195

Wanna know a solution?

35. pooja195

Stalk every user on OS :P And check their medal counts

36. iGreen

@pooja195 If medals mean "nothing", they wouldn't be here..and Moderators/Administrators wouldn't care about "medal spamming"

37. pooja195

By nothing as in they dont have a value in real life

38. horsegirl27

They are just a special achievement on OS

39. pooja195

Exactly.

40. pooja195

Btw you mever know when someone is medal spammung unless you get the person ip checked. There are users who ask mutliple question and give a medal for each you cant assume that the asker medal spammed the person who answered

41. iGreen

@pooja195 Medal spamming doesn't happen between the same person..it sometimes, if not most of the time, happens between two different people.

42. pooja195

Actually at times its the same person :P if it happens between 2 people then i guess its hard to figure out

43. iGreen

@pooja195 No..just look at their medals..one person gives the other 50+ medals..and they do the same..it's so obvious..

44. Abhisar

Medals, smart cents are here to encourage users to help more and more people and also get help from other users. It represents the level of user's activeness on the site. Like every society, OS community will also have some people who want to make their way out of cheating and forgery. To stop them like every other society we have moderators and ambassadors. But some how like every other society there is always be gonna some loop holes. So it requires a general involvement of every user in this. Whenever you find something suspicious, report it to the mods. They have appropriate tools which they can use to investigate the matter and take proper action. That's the best practical way I can suggest you to do.

45. pooja195

^exactly what i said =_= but in simpler terms just report it

46. mathslover

If you see such users, then simply report. P.S - When there is no bad, it's heaven. We live in this World comprising of all kinds of people. Good and Not Good ;) Spammers and Helpers. Report the doubtful ones and moderators will eventually check the issue out.

47. Koikkara

@iGreen Unfortunately, the same person can use OS in two ways from the same system. Check the above posts, you will find how they do it.

48. pooja195

Bottom line: Report it and move on.

49. mathslover

She has got a point ;) ^

50. Koikkara

@Abhisar I applaud that unfortunately, by the time mods appear, these users might have found answers and logged out. Next day, another account is created. Then, How does that help ?

51. Abhisar

@Koikkara , We have moderators from different time zones. It's quite rare when there not a single mod present online.

52. anonymous

Not every system is perfect ;) @Koikkara The mods try their best. In the end, it's honestly ethically wrong, and karma will catch up to them sooner or later.

53. pooja195

They have ip checks and if they change their ip then their loss they will get caught one day. @Abhisar its not rare it happens everyday

54. mathslover

There are always some thieves left no matter how huge/strong your police force is. ;)

55. Koikkara

@pooja195 It's a great idea but before you report, you may find another user answering the question and within seconds mass medal, then question gets closed as well as user logged out.

56. pooja195

$$\color{blue}{\text{Originally Posted by}}$$ @mathslover There are always some thieves left no matter how huge/strong your police force is. ;) $$\color{blue}{\text{End of Quote}}$$ $$\color{blue}{\text{Originally Posted by}}$$ @Aureyliant Not every system is perfect ;) @Koikkara The mods try their best. In the end, it's honestly ethically wrong, and karma will catch up to them sooner or later. $$\color{blue}{\text{End of Quote}}$$ They will get caught eventually.

57. horsegirl27

Some people are going to find a loophole. Some people are always going to get around the system. No matter what we can do, some problems can't be solved.

58. Koikkara

@mathslover Ofcourse, but God gave Intelligence to every human being not only thieves.

59. pooja195

You cant keep thinking of different scenarios. I think your question has been answered

60. iGreen

@Koikkara Amen

61. Abhisar

Finally, people who cheat or simply exchange answers are doing more harm to them than they are doing to us. OpenStudy is trying hard to provide everyone a global platform to learn and teach but we can not guarantee ypur learning if you are not willing to learn yourself.

62. mathslover

Wait, you're saying, moderators are not intelligent? :O

63. pooja195

^sometimes they arent :P

64. Koikkara

@pooja195 Only you think, but I didn't find a good way to sort out the problem yet.

65. pooja195

There is a solution

66. pooja195

And thats to report it and move on

67. mathslover

lol Pooja.. ;) This is like, digging with all the tools. Why are you looking at all the negative points? The points you've raised are already known to the administration as well as to the moderators. And fyi, they all are doing their best to get this situation under control.

68. Koikkara

@mathslover nope, intelligence is a part to be used when the angles of ideas coincide. means... planing and moulding OS in group helps it to overcome any effect from a single user or upcoming brains.

69. iGreen

The problem is, OS has thousands of users..and only, what? 20 active moderators/administrators?

70. pooja195

Ye we need more mods :P

71. mathslover

121 Crore - Indian Population Only one Prime Minister? Why? :'(

72. Koikkara

@pooja195 Next day same thing happens, again report it and move on ?.....If it happens daily, what is the point in it ?

73. pooja195

Why does it bother you so much?? Keep reporting it and moving on

74. pooja195

If you care so much then just pm a mod it is very unlikely you will catch someone everyday.

75. mathslover

First day - You reported 3 users. The next day, they were banned Second Day - The same users made new accounts. They were eventually reported again and got banned .. .. .. nth Day - Congratulations! They were tired of making accounts, and decided to go to bed. That's it! You did a great job in helping OpenStudy in clearing spammers. To be very short - Success doesn't come in a day.

76. Koikkara

@pooja195 Honest faces appreciate a direct path in helping and teaching.

77. pooja195

@Koikkara now you are stating the negative points. (like mathslover said) Be a bit more positive

78. Koikkara

@mathslover I wonder yo make good stories from folk tales. But, Os can stop it if OS could develop this much.

79. anonymous

Anyone can do anything… but not all in one day.

80. pooja195

@Koikkara OS has better things to do than stop what they cant stop

81. Abhisar

Ok, None of the proposed ideas have convinced me that they will help to cure the original problem. There will happen nothing by increasing the number of Mods. How can yo predict that some random user is trying to medal spam?

82. iGreen

@mathslover So you're saying that the prime minister does everything? That's like saying Preetha moderates everything..no. She has help from Moderators, which we don't have enough of.

83. iGreen

@Abhisar Who said anything about predicting? Once they do it, it has to be dealt with immediately.

84. mathslover

Did I say that? I was just stating a fact that sometimes it is not the proportion that matters.

85. pooja195

.-.

86. Abhisar

@iGreen , How will you find that they Medal spammed?

87. pooja195

^Thats what im saying $$\color{blue}{\text{Originally Posted by}}$$ @pooja195 If you care so much then just pm a mod it is very unlikely you will catch someone everyday. $$\color{blue}{\text{End of Quote}}$$

88. anonymous

Just a brainstorm: If medal spamming is truly such a huge problem, can mods have a tool that helps them moderate the amount of medals coming to users? i.e they get notified when a user gets an abnormal amount of medals in a short span of time, which doesn't necessarily mean they're being medal spammed, but just for precaution the mods can moderate that through that tool..

89. Abhisar

@Aureyliant , that can be done.

90. pooja195

I dont know why you people care so much about medal counts i guess they added dont game the system to be fair .-. but other than that i really dont see a point to make a huge deal out of it

91. iGreen

@Abhisar Check their medals and the posts they got medals on..if they've gotten 50+ from the same person, check their IP to see if it's the same person. If not, they could be doing it with someone else. Check that other person's medals, see if he gave him a lot of medals. You might also want to check a few of their posts they gave medals on.

92. Abhisar

IP check is not a sound proof to determine this. As i said you earlier that many legit accounts share the same IP and even spammers are able to mask their IPs.

93. pooja195

The ip checks seems to be a bit messed up :P

94. anonymous

Since there are "thousands" of users, a mod can't just specifically target one user out of the entire batch… maybe the tool that moderates a specific number of abnormal amount of medals within a short span of time should notify mods. I think IP checking is going a bit too far and complex

95. mathslover

StackExchange in some ways is a lot better. There are rarely any spammers. Chat has a different space and doesn't come in between the Ask and Answer area. Much better! Moderators are allowed to be strict and simply kick the users out of the site. Signing up on that site can't be done in seconds. Lots of things to learn...

96. Abhisar

You see, Moderators received vast amounts of notifications in past but the days are gone. We have added some highly active mods which are doing a great job. As a result of which the abundance of reports have decreased much.

97. pooja195

@Abhisar theres always that point in a day where there are no mods

98. pooja195

Some dont do anything

99. anonymous

@Abhisar Don't get me wrong or anything, I'm aware that mods are working very hard to making OS a great community therefore I don't have any complaints.. my idea was merely just a solution to the root cause of the problem.

100. Abhisar

You can report the issue. Mods can see the reports later they come online.

101. pooja195

@Abhisar if you were in math chat yesterday there were 3 mods online we had to community ban rather just having a mod take care of it.

102. pooja195

Because the mods did nothing. Dont get me wrong but some mods dont do anything. Some are very hard working :-) Like u .

103. Koikkara

Guys, why don't you type slow, i am still reading the 15th thread, to know a solution.. LOL

104. pooja195

LOL

105. Koikkara

@Aureyliant I appreciate that idea, you really got a good future ! @pooja195 this should be how it should dealt with.... well, waiting for more ideas like this one... !

106. pooja195

Idea: Report and move on Another idea: Pm a mod

107. .Sam.

There's no point in banning, the tools given to mods are not good enough to keep them out of the site they'll just keep coming back with a diff account, which is why some mods who knew this don't even bother about spams etc. Amistre made a point a few years ago, and the issue still haven't resolved.

108. pooja195

^Exactly mods cant do much .

109. Abhisar

This question regarding the number and efficiency of Mods have been raised numerous times. Every mod here is working voluntarily and we are grateful for the time and effort they are putting. Let me sum up this, as a user we want you guys to come here, be polite, use your time to learn and teach something. We appreciate if you took a further moment to report any irregularities. That's it. Don't get yourself too much bothered in these stuff.

110. Koikkara

@ At Present how many mods, ambys, and Qh is here ? I think we can sort out, when we have good software brains here...

111. pooja195

I tink everyone is smart in their own ways u dont need to be all those things to be smart

112. pooja195

Im 2 of those things yet im not the smartest when it comes to techonology

113. Jaynator495

A Medal Market, i dont even have to read the rest to know that this is correct, tbh openstudy already has all thats needed to make a quick filter in 7 to 11 hours that would prevent medal spam, for example... after a account gives a medal, and it will test the IP to see if theres any other accounts using that ip, if there is AND that account is what was medeled, then the account locks and says "medal spamming is not tolerated" truth be told this probably wouldnt be to difficult to actually do on openstudysbehalf considering the fact that openstudy has all the needed data already collected to determain if someone is medaling themselves, they could also do it by mac address... (incase someone uses a script to change their IP, this way it also locks the computer out from openstudy) Of course first it will be a warning saying do it again then a suspension will occur, incase a new user doesnt know that... and lets say theres a timeout for the warning of something like a week to a month :P

114. pooja195

@Jaynator495 u have to read the post its a bit mis-leading .-.

115. pooja195

Actually no :P

116. Jaynator495

OH i did know what this was about! HUZZAH! LOL

117. Jaynator495

*quickly deletes last comment after realizing that*

118. pooja195

I saw it :P

119. Jaynator495

no u didnt ._.

120. pooja195

yea i did

121. Jaynator495

no u didnt ._.

122. pooja195

yes i did

123. Jaynator495

Well im going to work on my extension now... *slithers away pretending nothing happened*

124. Koikkara

Well, $$Brain~Says$$ $$\small\rm\color{green}{@}$$ Like the "best response" button, design "medal cancel" button too... and this is accessible only for Mods, Ambys and QH of OS Admin Board. $$\small\rm\color{green}{@}$$ As soon as the medal is provided to an user, it should be providing a notification to the Ambys or Mods present at the moment. @Jaynator495 , But this eyes read it, sorry ! $$\small\rm\color{green}{@}$$ Another method is to Provide a "medal cancel" button on the profiles created along with the smartscore button., only to be accessed by the OS admin. $$\small\rm\color{green}{Will~These~help~?}$$

125. pooja195

Its an unfair idea. I dont think you understand the job of Qh's and Ambi's

126. anonymous

No I don't think the power should go to Bambi's or QH's if it were to be added

127. Jaynator495

Actually, os administrators could already cancel peoples ability to medal, however they do not do that as once again it affects others ss, so the best way would be what i waid...

128. Koikkara

@Jaynator495 Tag me too when you present them....lol

129. Jaynator495

Also, oh lord dont get sammi started with the "spammi sammi the bambi ambi" again, please we had enough of that last time LOL

130. anonymous

@Jaynator495 "Ambi" autocorrects to "bambi" and I just don't want to correct it anymore.. I never knew that was a thing.

131. Jaynator495

Its a long story.... ask pooja195 or ElipsedStar for details, just for the love of all that is holy dont ask sammix LOL

132. Jaynator495

Also, oh lord dont get sammi started with the "spammi sammi the bambi ambi" again, please we had enough of that last time LOL

133. anonymous

LOL okayyy

134. Jaynator495

uh, is that a double message for anyone else, or is os just buggin'? :P

135. horsegirl27

$$\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}$$ @Jaynator495 Also, oh lord dont get sammi started with the "spammi sammi the bambi ambi" again, please we had enough of that last time LOL $$\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}$$ spammi sammi the bambi ambi. Interesting.

136. Jaynator495

Yea, she went onto the spamming side... twas quite the spam wave... .-.

137. horsegirl27

x'D

138. sleepyhead314

do you realize how many medals are given out throughout a day? moderators can barely keep up with the reports and trolls, and you want them to approve of every medals that's given? xD

139. sleepyhead314

yes, a system to check and alert of concerning medal ratios would be a good idea

140. sleepyhead314

... what are we talking about?

141. pooja195

Read the post.

142. Jaynator495

Read my first comment, that will answer you question much faster LOL

143. sleepyhead314

how about yes we are aware that users can have two accounts open at one time (I do it a lot) and the "will give medals" <-- plural has been proven did you know that if you have two tabs of the same question open, you can give 1 medal to two different people? many problems, few solutions but always ask devs for better mod tools first

144. ganeshie8

Giving medals to multiple good answers should be fine. Personally I feel this will be a good feature to have

145. iGreen

Even though we already have it :P

146. EclipsedStar

Finally finished reading this whole thread...spent around 15 minutes doing so. I personally don't like seeing the trend of medal abuse with the whole "new account" getup either, but there isn't much users can really do about it except kindly telling the user about how it is against the rules. If the user persist, then yes, you can pm and report to a mod about it. Newer users don't actually read all the CoC (I honestly was one of those users) but they do usually fix their mistakes if told in a kind matter. There will always be users that go against the CoC voluntarily (I myself was included when I was new on my first week here, rebel! Haha.). Anyways, point is, I agree that there should be some measures to prevent that, at least. The medal feature was created for a positive reason (also encourages helpers in a way), but I do agree that there are some issues.

147. Jaynator495

I tried adding this into my extension, gave it a test run... even in ALPHA it was abused, so it was locked up under a 250 uncrackable code, (mostly because i dont want to waste the work i put in it... :P)

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