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 one year ago
How many pairs of numbers are there that are both their additive and multiplicative inverses? (in the quaternions) :P
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 one year ago
How many pairs of numbers are there that are both their additive and multiplicative inverses? (in the quaternions) :P

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Empty
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2Nahhh no such thing as number theory needed.

freckles
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2so we want to find a and b such this is true: \[a+b=0 \\ ab=1 \] \[a=b \\ bb=1 \\ b^2=1 \\ b^2=1 \\ b=\pm \sqrt{1}=\pm i \\ \]

freckles
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2\[i+(i)=0 \\ i(i)=i^2=(1)=1\]

freckles
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2so are we looking for the pair i,i?

freckles
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2maybe I should also consider \[(x_1+y_1i)+(x_2+y_2i)=0 \\ (x_1+y_1i)(x_2+y_2i)=1\]

freckles
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2\[(x_2+y_2i)^2=1 \\ (x_2+y_2i)^2=1 \\ x_2+y_2i=\pm i \text{ but this still makes } x_2=0 \text{ and } y_2=\pm 1\]

Empty
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2Perhaps, I haven't completely figured it out yet, but I know there is more than just the pair (i, i) since quaternions allow us to use (j,j) and (k,k). I wonder if there is more

zzr0ck3r
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0look at a caley table...

Empty
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2Like some combination of these values? It wouldn't show up on the cayley table. I'm not convinced at least, maybe I don't understand what you mean.

zzr0ck3r
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0the quaternains is a group with one operation, and there are two elements with self inverses by definition

zzr0ck3r
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Maybe I am confused by the question...

zzr0ck3r
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0how can a pair of numbers have an inverse?

Empty
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2Another way of asking this question is what are all the quaternion solutions to this system of equations: a+b=0 a*b=1

zzr0ck3r
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0I am still confused. The quaternians are a group. Ill stop cluttering up the question...

Empty
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2Haha it's fine, it's just they're more than just a group since they extend the complex numbers. For instance I suspect that the pair \(\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}i+\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}j\) and its negative might be both additive and multiplicative inverses.

zzr0ck3r
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0that would be an extension. The quaernains are a 8 element group. By definition.

zzr0ck3r
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0we extend from the reals to the complex with i. but the group generated by i under multiplication has only 4 elements. So R[i]=C but {ii^n} does not.

zzr0ck3r
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0as another example^^^

Empty
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.2Well I am talking about quaternions in the sense that they're normally used in my experience. Yeah ok so here is part of expanding the solution to infinitely many pairs, but there may be more since I'm not using all the parts of the quaternion at once: \(\hat i \cos \theta + \hat j \sin \theta\) When added to its negative is clearly 0, so additive inverses, now let's multiply them: \((\hat i \cos \theta + \hat j \sin \theta\ )(\hat i \cos \theta  \hat j \sin \theta)\) \(\cos^2 \theta + \sin^2 \theta  \sin \theta \cos \theta (\hat i \hat j + \hat j \hat i )\) Since \(\hat i \hat j = \hat j \hat i\) that second term goes away and we have the pythagorean identity on the left, which is just 1.

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0the quaternions are an associative algebra actually, which has far more structure than a simple group (which would only be with respect to a single operation). anyways, consider \(q=a+\vec v\) and \(q=a\vec v\) so $$\begin{align*}qq&=(a\vec v)(a+\vec v)\\&=(a^2+(v)\cdot v)+(a\vec va\vec v+(\vec v)\times\vec v)\end{align*}$$since \((\vec v)\times\vec v=(\vec v\times\vec v)=0\) and \((v)\cdot v=(v\cdot v)=v^2\) we can write: $$qq=(a^2+v^2)+(2a\vec v)$$and we want \(a^2v^2=1\) and \(2a\vec v=0\) so it follows either \(a=0\) or \(\vec v=0\); in the first case, we get that \(v^2=1\) works so all pure imaginary unit quaternions work. in the second case we get that \(\vec v=0\) so \(a^2=1\) which has no real solutions

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0so in other words \(q=bi+cj+dk\) for \(q=b^2+c^2+k^2=1\) works for its own additive inverse to be its multiplicative inverse
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