Find the coefficient of the squared term in the simplified form for the second derivative., f"(x) for f(x)=(X^3+2x+3)(3x^3-6x^2-8x+1). use the hyphen symbol,-, for negative values.

- anonymous

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- zepdrix

Hey Maggy :)\[\large\rm f(x)=(x^3+2x+3)(3x^3-6x^2-8x+1)\]Hmm this one looks like a doozy.
Remember your product rule?

- zepdrix

\[\rm \color{royalblue}{f'(x)}=\color{royalblue}{(x^3+2x+3)'}(3x^3-6x^2-8x+1)+(x^3+2x+3)\color{royalblue}{(3x^3-6x^2-8x+1)'}\]This is how we would "set up" our first derivative, ya? :d

- zepdrix

Alternatively, you could expand out all the brackets from the start.
That might actually be easier :)
Hmm I'm not sure.

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- zepdrix

ya ya ya ya, expand first.
that seems way better >.<
Otherwise we have to combine a whole lot of term at the end..
my bad

- zepdrix

we allowed to do that, ya? :d

- anonymous

my head hurts trying to follow you lol so we expand?

- zepdrix

ya let's try that instead :)
product rule will result in two groups of stuff.
second derivative will require product rule twice more.
then expanding three sets of things, and combining.
expanding first seems way simpler

- zepdrix

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- zepdrix

Here is the expansion of the first two terms from the first set of brackets multiplying everything in the other brackets.
Does it kinda make sense what I'm doing? :d
there is one more term to take care of.

- anonymous

yes I see you expanding to dind the derivatives. o.o math is not my forte lol

- zepdrix

|dw:1438994231877:dw|we have another set of terms to get.
so we'll have to distribute this 3.

- zepdrix

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- zepdrix

We're going to take two derivatives.
If we want to END UP WITH a second power.
which power of x do you think we'll be starting with? :)

- anonymous

with 9x^3?

- zepdrix

when we take the derivative of a third power such as that term,
we'll get a second power.
when we take the derivative again, it degrades down to first power, ya?

- zepdrix

So it looks like we'll want to pay attention to the `fourth power` term.
That is the one which becomes `second power` after differentiating it twice.

- zepdrix

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- zepdrix

You `could` take the derivative of the entire thing.
But it doesn't look the problem is requiring that, if I'm reading it correctly.
They simply want the coefficient on the 2nd power term in your second derivative.
So we currently have -2x^4.
What do you get when you differentiate -2x^4 twice?

- anonymous

-2x^8??? ( when you say twice you mean add or multiply im getting very confused)

- zepdrix

\(\large\rm (-2x^4)'=?\)

- zepdrix

Remember your power rule? :)

- anonymous

sorta but not confidently

- zepdrix

\(\large\rm (x^n)'=n x^{n-1}\)
The exponent comes down in front to multiply,
and the exponent decreases by 1.

- zepdrix

Example: \(\large\rm (4x^7)'=4\cdot7x^{7-1}=28x^{6}\)
See how the 7 comes down in front, and the power changes to a 6?

- anonymous

so it be 2x^3? from 2x^4?

- zepdrix

Nooo :O Where did your 4 go? it didn't come down silly!

- anonymous

I cant see your last posted picture that wy I ask my answer was right lol all I see in your last picture posst is symbols

- zepdrix

oh the math code didn't format correctly :( ugh

- zepdrix

This was the example:|dw:1438995007902:dw|

- zepdrix

The 7 comes down, and then the power decreases to a 6.

- anonymous

-8x^3?
my reasoning:
-2x^4= -2. 4x^3 = -8x3

- zepdrix

Oo ok nice nice nice.
That takes care of our first derivative.
Now we have to repeat the process! :)|dw:1438995233431:dw|

- anonymous

-8x^3
-8x^3=-8.3x^2=-24x^2?

- Jhannybean

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- zepdrix

Yayyy good job \c:/
Notice that the exponent we started with was a 4.
And the one we ended with is a 2.
Differentiating twice made the power decrease by 2.
That will happen to every other term as well.
So our 5th power term will becomes a 3rd power,
our 3rd power term will become a 1st power,
and so on.
So we only needed to differentiate the 4th power term twice,
because that's the only one giving us 2nd power!

- zepdrix

So yay good, you've found your coefficient! :)
-24

- anonymous

ok so my answer to my question is -24x^2?

- zepdrix

The question said `Find the coefficient`.
The coefficient is `only` the number in front.

- anonymous

oh coolz hehe can you help me in one more question?

- zepdrix

bahh i need a maf break :)
open up a new thread so people can find your question faster!
this one is a mess now hehe

- anonymous

lol ok ty

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