## Empty one year ago Do numbers exist?

1. ParthKohli

ye

2. anonymous

yup

3. anonymous

ONLY IF U WANT THEM TOO, AND NOT WHEN UR HIGH THEY DONT 8D

4. ParthKohli

I don't like this question anyway.

5. Astrophysics

no

6. ParthKohli

what is existence anyway

7. Astrophysics

I only said that because I wanted to be against everyone

8. ParthKohli

I just used "anyway" twice in a row. That bothers me.

9. ParthKohli

troll question. reported.

10. Empty

I was holding a 2.5 in my hand the other day but then a leprechan stole it so I have no proof of numbers existing anymore

11. ikram002p

things are exists the moment you want them, and the moment you need them as long as you can think of them then yes they are exist, but you know the world is empty itself only numbers make sense to me xD

12. ParthKohli

@empty shut up

13. Astrophysics

Ever read the book God created the integers by Stephen Hawking?

14. ParthKohli

He wrote a book for that?

15. Astrophysics

Yeah

16. Empty

Isn't that a quote by Kronecker?

17. dan815

numbers are notions

18. ikram002p

i thought Galileo did , he said "God is the greatest mathematician " and believed it, Hawking was only sarcasm to write such things he dont believe in :3

19. anonymous

^ i love your profile pic

20. Empty

Part of me just believes math is a refined portion of language haha

21. ganeshie8

God created integers and everything else is work of a man. Because of that belief he had to believe that irrationals don't exist and also denied the proof of $$\sqrt{2}$$ is irrational and many other... he is really an interesting math history character !

22. ganeshie8

23. ikram002p

who @ganeshie8 ?

24. Astrophysics
25. Empty

I thought I was a platonist, but I am actually purely a nominalist to the core.

26. anonymous

numbers didn't exist in my bank account T.T

27. Astrophysics

Math is the language of the universe

28. ikram002p

you know sometimes i ask myself if my existence is real and that's its not some silly joke then i realize who cares just deal with it xD so same with everything that u have doubt lke dont think too much, but when u deal with math you believe there is no way to doubt with proved things and in case u believe if numbers exist or not, deal with it xD i only wonder why God have a problem irrational xD as kronecker didnt believe in it

29. ganeshie8

are you saying aliens know math ? they don't not know english/french.. but they surely have access to math ?

30. Zela101

What about language and words? Do they exist?

31. ikram002p

thats what Carl Sagan also said :3 yeah sure they do know math .

32. Zela101

Do emotions exist?

33. Astrophysics

Yes, well as it works so well, it must be sufficient enough for the universe!!

34. ganeshie8

ikram, exactly, there is no way to know with certainty that you're not in a matrix simulation

35. Astrophysics

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36. anonymous

hes a hacker

37. ganeshie8

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38. anonymous

why did he chose cat instead of dogs

39. anonymous

doges are the best!

40. ganeshie8

I think he didn't really mean cat, he must be referring to his evil girlfriend or something..

41. UsukiDoll

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42. anonymous

how do you attach image?

43. UsukiDoll

there was some .crx file. I forgot how the rest went

44. ikram002p

i like wild stuff more :3 im a cat side

45. anonymous

46. ikram002p

huh @ganeshie8 i thought the same thats why i keep this fancy pic :3

47. ganeshie8

lol i like the way this thread is going so offtopic

48. UsukiDoll

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49. ikram002p

have to go anyway, i have enjoyed ur topic @Empty dont spend much time thinking :P

50. Astrophysics

OS really needs a philosophy section xD

51. ganeshie8

this may not be related, but our discussion reminds me of this funny story which many authors use while introducing complex numbers  A foreman is yelling down into an excavation : "How many of you men down there ?" the reply came back, "three." and he said "Okay, half of you come on up."  Existence(of solutions) is in the eye of beholder - when you talk about one half of 3 people, you can't do it. But there are other circumstances where dividing 3 by 2 makes complete sense.

52. Astrophysics

Lol nice

53. Empty

I think it's related because when I think of nominalism and this guy having issues with $$\sqrt{-1}$$ I really don't share his issue. I guess there's a flavor of platonism mixed in to what I think about it but at the end of the day I believe every mathematical idea or concept exactly maps to some physical idea in some way. If there is a mathematical model, there is some reality out there that is modeled by it. I think that's my motivating reason for why I'm not afraid to just play with math and follow out its logical conclusions and see where ever it leads because to me it must and can only lead towards understanding something real. If it didn't then it wouldn't, because that's the nature of reality for math and physics to be really one thing. Then again, I might change my mind some day, but it holds for me most of the time haha.

54. dan815

i heard that joke on this old calculus revisited series

55. dan815
56. ikram002p

@ganeshie8 thats remind me of two men and a half :P if you know it

57. ikram002p

@Empty i disagree :P mathematics is a way to translate physics and physics explains nature thus mathematics might translate nature but its beyond that, it never study the use of it :D also as a counter example maybe virtual world is translated by mathematics even thought its not a physical terms at some points :3