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anonymous
 one year ago
How do you integrate from 0 to x: (t^2)*sqrt(2+5t^4)?
I've tried integration by parts where t^2 is dv/dt and sqrt(2+5t^4) is u but it ends up funny and possibly more complex.
Integration by substitution also leaves me with a funny number.
I'm really stuck, so any ideas would help.
Thanks
anonymous
 one year ago
How do you integrate from 0 to x: (t^2)*sqrt(2+5t^4)? I've tried integration by parts where t^2 is dv/dt and sqrt(2+5t^4) is u but it ends up funny and possibly more complex. Integration by substitution also leaves me with a funny number. I'm really stuck, so any ideas would help. Thanks

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Astrophysics
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0\[\large \int\limits_{0}^{x}t^2 \sqrt{2+5t^4})dt\] correct?

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Yup, that's the integral we need to find

Astrophysics
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0I was thinking fundamental theorem of calculus part 1 but that's more for derivative, hmm.

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0try to do it by multiplying and dividing by t and then apply by parts by that way you can easily integrate the radical part

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0@divu.mkr I'm not quite sure what you mean by multiplying and dividing by t. Do you mean I should multiply the outside t into the square root?

phi
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0according to wolfram, this is not a simple integral

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0What's a simple integral? Is it still a simple integral without the boundaries (0 and x)?

phi
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0without limits http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integral+%28t^2%29*sqrt%282%2B5t^4%29+dt

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Wholey, the integral got symbols I've never seen before! On the other hand, it does make a very nice looking curve.

phi
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0That is what I meant by not simple. I have no idea how to get that answer.

Empty
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3Yeah, I get the feeling that the real question was "Differentiate this with respect to x" haha

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Hmm in that case then, maybe Astrophysics was on the right track... The full question is: calculate lim (x>infinite) (x^5) \[\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}\frac{ x^5 }{ \int\limits_{0}^{x}(t^2)*\sqrt(2+5t^4) }\]

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Opps there's a line between the x^5 and the bottom integral

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0@Empty yea, I should've posted the whole question

Empty
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3Ok, yeah you are still asked to do a limit, so almost the same thing. Especially if you use L'Hopital's rule ;) \[\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}\frac{ x^5 }{ \int\limits_{0}^{x}(t^2)*\sqrt{2+5t^4}dt }\] Also, to make the square root work use {} instead of ().

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0@Empty Haha and that would have been a much less stressful question.

phi
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0you have and infty/infty so take the derivative of top and bottom

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Oh good old L'Hopital's rule! Thank you so much!

Empty
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.3To show that we can do L'Hopital's rule in a more convincing way here, notice: \[\large \int\limits_{0}^{x}t^2 \sqrt{2+5t^4})dt \ge \int\limits_{0}^{x}t^2 \sqrt{t^4}dt\] Which is a lot easier to solve and compare to, so since this integral diverges the other one will too in case you weren't sure.

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Do you mean that we can use the right hand function as the denominator in place of the left one since they both diverge to similar degrees? Oh and, was the condition for being able to use L'Hopital's rule that your function is infinity/infinity?

phi
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0no, you keep the original Empty is just showing we have an infinity / infinity (specifically the denominator) so it is valid to use L'Hopital

phi
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0I am getting \( \sqrt{5} \)

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Ah right I see (since t^2*sqrt(t^4) diverges)! Yup, the answer is sqrt5 I'm just a bit stuck on trying to find the limit... I've differentiated twice and got to \[\frac{ 10x }{ \sqrt{(2+5x^4)^3}*20t^2 }\] But I can't divide by x^4 inside the sqrt as I don't know how to take it out.

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Oh wait hang on, I found my silly mistake (as always). Got it! Thank you guys and everyone else so much, having had to be baffled by trying to integrate the question. Sorry for not posting the whole question earlier!

phi
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0you should only differentiate once you get \[ \frac{5x^4}{x^2 \sqrt{2+5x^4} }\] divide top and bottom by x^4 \[ \frac{5}{x^{2} \sqrt{2+5x^4} }\] bring the x^2 inside the root \[ \frac{5}{\sqrt{2x^{4} +5} }\] now take the limit. the 2/x^4 tends to zero and we get \[ \frac{5}{\sqrt{5}}= \sqrt{5}\]

anonymous
 one year ago
Best ResponseYou've already chosen the best response.0Thanks, I eventually got onto the right track. I made the mistake of multiplying the denominator by 1/x^2 after dividing the inside by x^4 instead of multiplying by x^2 outside
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