The curved section of a horizontal highway is a circular unbanked arc of radius 740 m. If the coefficient of static friction between this roadway and typical tires is 0.40, what would be the maximum safe driving speed for this horizontal curved section of highway? Can someone please show me how to do this?

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The curved section of a horizontal highway is a circular unbanked arc of radius 740 m. If the coefficient of static friction between this roadway and typical tires is 0.40, what would be the maximum safe driving speed for this horizontal curved section of highway? Can someone please show me how to do this?

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when going around the circle , the car would accelerate radially towards the center of that circle
, the car would have a net force then [F=m*a] in the horizontal direction But the car does not want to slide off the road, so have to balance that with the friction force between the tire material and road material
Yes, but how do you calculate the velocity without mass?

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The radial acceleration can be a function of the velocity
I'm sorry I don't understand
mass can be found in the other dimension if you need it, the normal force is to weight
And how would you calculate normal force?
The acceleration towards the circle creates a Force, centripital acceleration = v^2 / r F = m*a = m*v^2/r
Maybe a FBD will help, |dw:1443498860246:dw| maybe something like this, sorry for the bad drawing but notice that friction and centripetal acceleration are towards the center of the circle
\[\vec a_c = \frac{ v^2 }{ r }\] so we can use @DanJS equation and find the max speed
Normal Force is in the other direction, to get that balance those forces Sum of forces in vertical direction = Normal - Weight = Normal - m*g
Yeah haha was just going to say
Does not accelerate in vertical direction, and so F= m*a = 0 = N - mg
\[\vec F_f = \mu \vec F_N = \mu mg\]
Okay bare with me for one moment, I want to write out what I understand and what I don't understand
I understand that those are the equations I have to use. But I still don't understand how I can use any of those equations to find velocity if I don't know the mass. Yes, F=m(g) but I don't know what force is, I only know what the static friction coefficient is (.040). I don't know what force is then I don't have anything to divide by 9.81 (g) to find mass (kg)
The masses get cancelled out, because we are focusing on the horizontal direction and the only forces acting are the centripetal force and force of friction
\[\vec F_c = \vec F_f\]
So in the equation F⃗ f=μF⃗ N=μmg, m=1?
Your net force = centripetal
\[\vec F_c = \vec F_f \implies \mu mg = \frac{ mv^2 }{ r }\] where the normal force can be found from the vertical direction
\[\vec F_c = \vec F_f \implies \frac{ mv^2 }{ r } = \mu \vec F_N \implies \frac{ mv^2 }{ r }= \mu \vec mg\] \[\vec F_c = \text{centripetal force}~~~~\vec F_N = \text{Normal force}~~~~\vec F_f = \text{force of friction}\]
I promise I'm trying my hardest to understand what you're saying, I have an exam in 12 hours. Could you please work the problem out so I can see what steps you take, because it's not clicking and I'm getting so frustrated with myself right now
While Astro composes the solution, let me ask you a question. In what direction does the frictional force acts when the car moves on a straight road ? |dw:1443500920629:dw|
Against the tires, so towards the center of the circle?
In above picture, the car is moving on a straight road. There is no circle, yet.
Remember, frictional force always "opposes" the direction of motion.
Yes, so if the car is move to the right the frictional force would be towards the left, correct?
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Why ?
It's alright, ok so first thing you want to do is make a diagram with all these kinds of questions to see what's going on and keep track of all the forces, the net force is in the horizontal direction. |dw:1443500609394:dw| the centripetal acceleration will be inside as it's always going towards the center of the circle. So lets split the forces in components, in the horizontal direction we have \[\sum F_x = ma_x~~~~\sum F_y = ma_y\] So focusing on the horizontal direction (indicated with x subscript) we have \[\sum F_x \implies F_f = ma_c \implies F_f = m \frac{ v^2 }{ r }\] since we need the normal force to solve for the force of friction we look at our vertical direction, because note that \[F_f = \mu F_N\] looking at the vertical direction we have \[\sum F_y = 0 \implies -W+F_N \implies F_N = W\] where W is the weight notice how the sum of the forces of the y - direction = 0 because there is no acceleration in the y - direction. Our net force then becomes \[F_f = ma_c \implies \mu F_N = m \frac{ v^2 }{ r } \implies \mu mg = \frac{ mv^2 }{ r } \] you should be able to do the algebra! Note that force of friction opposes motion hence it's called friction.
Because friction is the force trying to stop the motion opposed to it?
Ah it was much longer than that, a few things got overwritten
But anyways I hope that helped haha...\[\sum \] this symbol indicates the sum of the forces in the certain direction
The answer is suppose to be 54 m/s, @ganeshie8 do you get that when you do the math?
Yes, as the car is taking a turn to the left on a curved road : 1) the tires kick the road to the right 2) Now, static friction does its job : the floor pushes back the tires to the left. When the friction is not enough, the tires start spinning and the car skids. The curved motion is made possible because of this "static" frictional force(\(\mu mg\)). Any object in circular motion experiences a centripetal force(\(\frac{mv^2}{r}\)) towards the center of circle. So the frictional force provides this centripetal force, they are same. |dw:1443502345216:dw|
\(\mu mg = \dfrac{mv^2}{r}\) plugin the given numbers to find at what speed the static friction gives up
Hey please read it agian, I have fixed left/right typoes..
Nice post @ganeshie8 Also what do you get when you solve for v for the above equation @cheska_P
I get 17.04
Hmm, what does your expression look like, can you show the algebra? \[\mu mg = \dfrac{mv^2}{r} \]
I'll try give me one second
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Good so, \[v = \sqrt{r \mu g} \implies \sqrt{(740m)(0.40)(9.81m/s^2)}\] you got the right numbers?
yes
wait no
I'm an idiot, I had .040 not .40 for my static friction coefficient
This whole time I've bee doing the math right, I just keep doing it with the wrong coefficient. I'm so sorry guys. You don't understand how grateful I am that you both stuck with me and tried helping me. Thank you so much and now i'm a bit embarrassed
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Np, make sure you read the post above explaining unbanked curves, it's pretty great! Take care!

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