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|dw:1446791128875:dw| |dw:1446791139885:dw| how is it possible there is no wind on the moon, but the flag is developing on a wind!
also, where are the stars?
|dw:1446792441280:dw| what about this one? |dw:1446792464608:dw|
how sad it is, there were actually no Americans on the moon facts: The level of technological development of NASA did not allow a man to be on the moon. The lack of stars in the photos from the lunar surface. Film astronauts had melted from the midday temperature on the Moon . Various optical anomalies in the photos. Waving flag in a vacuum . Smooth surface instead of craters that were formed by landing the lunar module from their engines.
more facts: The rocket "Saturn 5" up close and did not meet the stated load capacity of 130 tons. The second stage of "Saturn 5" had a kerosene-oxygen engines
And I saw Elvis at WalMart today.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/5833633/Apollo-11-Moon-landing-conspiracy-theories-debunked.html Seems to have a good rebuttal to all conspiracy theories However, there was a new... complication that arose. A recent NASA scientists said in an interview that it's almost impossible for humans to get past the Van-Allen radiation belt that separates the moon and Earth due to the high radiation waves Wait what? Then how did we get to the moon? Before I wasn't really leaning towards disbelieving the lunar landings, but I'm confused how he says we can't get past the belt, and yet we did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlXG0REiVzE There were reports saying that the astronauts experience adverse side affects which didn't last.
I still require stronger evidence to believe that we faked the landing.
I guess I shouldn't say impossible to get past -- just very dangerous and risky!
there is no explanation for the flag, how can it develop on the wind where there is no wind? where are the stars? on the videos astronauts walk like on earth not like on the moon, craters? and the retouched photo? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80
Look at the picture on the left, supposedly filmed by the astronauts, "Apollo 11". Armstrong and Aldrin - the same height, but here the shadow of one of the astronauts and a half times longer than the other. Perhaps their searchlight illuminated top, and therefore turned the shade of various lengths as a street lamp. And by the way, who shot this photo? Indeed, in the frame of the two astronauts at once. http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moon_pic/armoldf.jpg
And what is there in the photograph of the white spots? Yes this is the spotlights! what about spotlights on the moon? it is not a sun, not stars, http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moon_pic/lights.jpg
The sun shines directly on it in the back of the photographer, but the shadow of the lunar module is suffering a left deviationism. In even greater extent this applies to the rocks on the right side of the image, which clearly highlights the right. This effect is gradually eroding as you move to the left side of the image. Can not your "surface roughness" so change the direction of the shadows! http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moon_pic/as11-40-5962.jpg
Why on different photographs - the same background? http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moon_pic/hills1.jpg http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moon_pic/hills2.jpg
resoures: wipedia, lukmore, skeptic.net
At the center of the frame - compartment, strong sunlight and occupying a significant portion of the frame, and all around - a whole bunch of stars! So the astronauts in space had Stars in the photographs , and on the lunar surface - they hadn't! Or maybe compartment poorly lit? For example, the sun hid behind a `space cloud`? http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moon_pic/apollo13.jpg
have a read people: http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moonhoax.htm
very interesting read
But now Americans took off from the Moon? Remember how to fly from Earth into space - a huge rocket in the tens of meters high and hundreds or even thousands of tons of weight, huge launch facilities, gas pipelines, oxygen plant, mounting housing thousands of people, serving all of this economy, control center operators for consoles ... And here you are telling that the two men flew to the moon on their own, without outside help, in some tin size of "Zaporozhets" . Yes, this can not be! Who built them there spaceport? And who was working on this launch site?
I mean if you really believe it's a conspiracy how come all the people who worked for it could keep it as a secret for that long, I don't really feel like explaining step by step as it's a waste of time but two humans alone can't keep a secret for very long you would think from the thousands of people who worked very hard on this mission...and if it was faked someone would slip up. NDT. But believe what you like as it does not affect facts!
Aliens made pyramids
oh yeah i forgot about aliens, aliens helped Armstrong start the rocket and build up a spaceport.
Are you sure they were not jinns.
of course joke
Do you agree that nobody landed on a moon?
well, i don't state it but i see facts
those 12 men were a bunch of liars then :o
all those six Apollo moon landings were a joke even though it was considered one of the best achievements in history. All those pictures, videos, and and scientists eye witnesses was all a joke. Just looking at the two pictures. I see both the flag and the astronaut changed positions. What if the astronaut moved the pole and in that way changed the position of himself and the lag?|dw:1446948999730:dw||dw:1446949017449:dw|
I hope i helped you with this mystery. Adios.
There's like a million things that could've cause the flag to move and images don't do justice, astronaut runs by/ walks by what ever causing dust particles to move hitting the flag etc etc
ok, give me explanation about shadows and lack of stars?
I had a feeling you'd ask that, I just did
But if you want a real answer, you can google it yourself, as I have no interest in this conversation
Me neither :P
ok. one of these lights is sun and the other is probably a mercury http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moon_pic/lights.jpg
when you're not a direct eyewitness of an event, there is no way to convince yourself with certainty that something really happened in the past... personally, i'd like to think that the conspiracy was fabricated by russians during coldwar time when they realized that they lost the battle to NASA... but again, we don't have the luxury of timetravel, going to past and verify things... idk much about coldwar or history... so please don't take my stand on this matter seriosuly ;)
Ganeshie you qt, I think that's part of it and I of course don't think it was a conspiracy but in science eyewitness testimony is the lowest form of evidence!
I think the issue here is not about science, it is about what history created by media you want to believe in..
how about undamped oscillations? perhaps motion induced due to its own inertia while planting the flag is very slow to die out.
denying or verifying, whats the point of it anyway ?
Nice one baru hahaha, but I mean we can keep going back and forth, but it is important when someone says it didn't happen because it's very demeaning for the people who worked very hard to do such that, especially something as incredible as going to the moon!
seems all people directions are different, no common goal between cultures, which put us in another tragedy odyssey of time, its the battle of science which seeks for future and politics which destroy the present, now for this moment i don't think believing this or deny it can change anything unless we are serious about cosmos and trying to find another possibility of life or even help us to improve ours. Earth at the moment is sucks, no one seems to care about it enough to make a humanity common goal to improve it. few years and we would be end up either in the hand of horrible wars or in immorality ob beings.
@Halmos Good point! I feel like there's so much conflict that people fail to see that by destroying others we are destroy ourselves in the end. The interesting thing is that science has no war, it has no opinion, it has no bias -- it's fact, law, structure. If everyone would stop the cultural assailing, we might actually be able to come together to focus on bettering the only home that we have: Earth. And even that will deteriorate after time. We should be looking toward finding other planets that might help with resources and even improving our own technology in the meantime.
Posted by @ganeshie8 `when you're not a direct eyewitness of an event, there is no way to convince yourself with certainty that something really happened in the past... personally, i'd like to think that the conspiracy was fabricated by russians during coldwar time when they realized that they lost the battle to NASA... but again, we don't have the luxury of timetravel, going to past and verify things... idk much about coldwar or history... so please don't take my stand on this matter seriosuly ;)` russians were helping NASA fake the moon landing, but most part was done by USA.
is there any document that proves your argument ? @AlexandervonHumboldt2
it there any document that proves that US were on the moon? i see facts that can prove that there were nobody on the moon
is there any document that proves my argument? read everything above.
i'm just asking though, I'm not into that.
i have my own reservations about this moon landing stuff there's something in this that doesn't quite add up for me either..... |dw:1447012354210:dw|
i think it's the position of the shadows. dunno, just doesn't look right.
well if you are right and landing is fake, i don't think that NASA would spent 30 million dollars on cheap graphic effects instead of using experts of illusions who would make it better (js). and i'm sure there are answers for multi questions like this from NASA itself.
no, NASA did spent 30 million dollars. 1st. faking is not cheap, it should be done by photo specialists. 2nd. it is still cheaper than flying to moon.
what are you going to say on this officially PROVED FAKE PHOTO? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/PurportedUFO2.jpg/300px-PurportedUFO2.jpg
well if faking is not convincing enough i'd rather to call it cheap (not in the dirty way lol )
@AlexandervonHumboldt2 that sounds a man hat from Texas.
no, it is a faked photo of UFO
oki =). i won't argue anymore.
the flapping flag is well worth a separate post. because it exposes bad science. in a stagnant atmosphere, air resistance is likely to dampen "flapping". in a quasi- vaccuum, the original energy give to the flag via unfolding etc should remain and present itself as flapping...it is really just an application of the conservations of momentum and energy... like a vibrating guitar string...in a vaccuum, it should vibrate longer as the only energy drain is the inelasticity of the string itself. virtually no gravity, no air resistance.....
exactly @IrishBoy123 . in one interview with american specialist: he said that the flag was flapping because of astronauts vibration of hands but such explanation is idiotic.
and the one idea of placing a flag so near the shuttle is idiotic because if astonauts returned from `moon` the flag wuld flew away because of engines
hi alex the bad science IMHO is in the conspiracy theory. my bad powers of explanation at work here maybe? the act of the flag being unfolded/handled means it was given kinetic energy. in a quasi-vaccuum, there is no air resistance to oppose its motion. so that energy will remain within that system. the flag will flap! the energy cannot just disappear into "thin air" - lol! - because there is no air at all, no atmosphere, nothing to resist the motion of the flag. you end up with a kind of damped simple harmonic motion, where the damping will be due to inelasticity of the flag structure but the retention of energy due to its elasticity. on earth, the wind makes flags flap, the lack of wind makes them stop flapping. they droop. ...and no doubt the flag was placed according to an agreed NASA protocol......pod + astronauts + American flag in the one picture. otherwise, go all that way and don't get a decent picture....that makes no sense :-)
so you trust wiki now ? as wiki agrees there was landing on moon (js).
wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80
and i do trust wiki because it is the best and most correct and detailed source of info
see it says *conspiracy theoris* which means history/ politics not science u need to check the page of landing on moon itself =D
if you knew russian you would read the second link and there is nothing about history and politics there. there are only facts and proofs there.
i read it, it only didn't make sense to me. also see this http://prntscr.com/90k4fj
you would better read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories#Photograph_and_film_oddities
-.- yeah right no more of reading this. http://prntscr.com/90k6y5
there are thousand of other resourses with proofs
and most things i posted were not from wikipedia
|dw:1447016018192:dw| ILLUMINATI PYRAMID BETWEEN THE FLAG AND ASTRONAUT!!!
you're just seeing things, @Empty :p |dw:1447016200065:dw|
@AlexandervonHumboldt2 Since there are no stars in the picture, can you please tell us what cameras they took to the moon and explain to us the chemistry and physics behind developing an image so that we can better understand why it is the stars aren't showing up when you would expect them to?
there are no stars because the photos are were not took in space. thy took no cameras to the moon because they were not on the moon. how are you going to explain me why there are no stars on the photos? stars are perfectly seen from earth and are perfectly seen from space as well. Strange: Gagarin's cameras saw stars, Armstrong's cameras didn't see stars
so, Gagarin was the fake?!?!
i mean the if the moon landing is true then it is quite starnge that Gagarin's cameras saw stars, Armstrong's cameras didn't see stars
the gagarin's travel is truth.
this is the official NASA ^photo^
seriously! , im done lol.
Alex, look. Trying to convince me that people landing on the moon is a lie because there's no stars in the background is pretty absurd. It is clear from the picture that it was taken during daytime exposure. The sunlight is very bright and more luminous than the other stars because we are more closer to it. However, the camera was adjusted for the light of the sun, in that way the dim lights weren't exposed enough.
dim lights of the stars*
who said the the light is coming from sun in daytime?
http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moon_pic/as11-40-5866.jpg http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moon_pic/as11-40-5866f.jpg what about these 2? it is clearly seen that there were man made light
|dw:1447017629032:dw| Do you see the shadows here?
here no but what about this one? http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moon_pic/as11-40-5962.jpg
You're paying attention to the dim lights of the stars and not the sunlight exposure :|
ok, so you are just trying to say that sun can shine particular right?
in these 2 ' http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moon_pic/as11-40-5866.jpg http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/moon_pic/as11-40-5866f.jpg the astronaut is too bright and the other things are not
I'm not sure what you're question is but my point is the sun rays are more powerful and conquer the dim lights of the stars. Let's put it in this way. Picture yourself lighting a candle at night, does it glow? Yes. Does it glow during the daylight? Not much.
sun cannot shine particular who said the the light is coming from sun?
Are you saying there was no daylight?
i'm saying that there were no daylight because the photos were not taken on the moon.
This thread is absurd. The astronauts of Apollo 11, 14, and 15 set up laser range reflectors on the Moon so that we may more accurately measure the distance from Earth to the Moon. These reflectors are used regularly. Let's please use OpenStudy for the purpose it was intended.
Well said @ospreytriple
Does this mean my moon rocks are not genuine !!